Terrorist attack in Oslo

[Asmodean]

Coupled with a very inflated sense of self and conciderable paranoia.

I doubt narcissism is necessary to shoot a whole lot of otherwise good kids.

Still, I do think that you pretty much have to be extremely paranoid in order to even come close to success in such a... Venture?

[En_Route]

Coupled with a very inflated sense of self and conciderable paranoia.

I doubt narcissism is necessary to shoot a whole lot of otherwise good kids.

Still, I do think that you pretty much have to be extremely paranoid in order to even come close to success in such a... Venture?

Some of them may have been bad kids by your criteria.

[Sweetdeath]

Coupled with a very inflated sense of self and conciderable paranoia.

I doubt narcissism is necessary to shoot a whole lot of otherwise good kids.

Still, I do think that you pretty much have to be extremely paranoid in order to even come close to success in such a... Venture?

Some of them may have been bad kids by your criteria.

Even so, to just murder a camp full of children?
Even Asmo wouldnt do such a thing...i think. I'm  pretty sure.

[Asmodean]

Some of them may have been bad kids by your criteria.

I'm sure some were. They held a political view opposite my own, for instance.

However, I find killing for ideology a stupid and unnecessary thing. I'd rather attempt to shred them in a debate than "prove my point" by bringing a gun to a summer camp.

[En_Route]

Some of them may have been bad kids by your criteria.

I'm sure some were. They held a political view opposite my own, for instance.

However, I find killing for ideology a stupid and unnecessary thing. I'd rather attempt to shred them in a debate than "prove my point" by bringing a gun to a summer camp.

That's good to know.

[Asmodean]

The court is using this week for going over every death in detail. For every person, the injuries and cause of death are listed, the bullet paths are shown on a human-sized doll, the pictures of where they were found (after the body has been removed, but retaining the blood, bullet holes and who knows what else) and what they looked like in life are shown and a few words are said in memoriam.

The general public gets some really watered down info from the media, and while curious and little-black-hearted, in this case I support the "watering down" - this part must suck enough for those whos kids, siblings and friends were among those who didn't make it out alive without making each death, and therein someone's personal tragedy, a public display.

[DeterminedJuliet]

The court is using this week for going over every death in detail. For every person, the injuries and cause of death are listed, the bullet paths are shown on a human-sized doll, the pictures of where they were found (after the body has been removed, but retaining the blood, bullet holes and who knows what else) and what they looked like in life are shown and a few words are said in memoriam.

The general public gets some really watered down info from the media, and while curious and little-black-hearted, in this case I support the "watering down" - this part must suck enough for those whos kids, siblings and friends were among those who didn't make it out alive without making each death, and therein someone's personal tragedy, a public display.

God, a whole week of graphic young death depictions. Some people are going to have some bad dreams, after this one, methinks. 

[Asmodean]

Well, some of the court professionals have been noted to cry occasionally and they take brakes far more often than before. I guess even those made of stronger stuff find this a less-than-easy thing to do. The accused seems to be among those least affected, at least visibly, but that one probably sees a job well done rather than a better part of a hundred ended lives.

I've been following the media today, and some of those whos deaths were presented today were no more than 15 years old, most were hit with multiple shots and most died from head and torso injuries. I guess there is small comfort in knowing that your kid "probably died within moments"... But then it has to suck twice as much for those whos kids didn't.

It is important though, what they are doing. Those kids are not just numbers on a sheet of paper, and... There is a story behind every digit, and that's easy to forget when dealing with the whole... And it shoudln't be forgotten.

EDIT: here is the link to an in memoriam site by one of the national newspapers. The eulogies are in Norwegian but Google Translate will help the inquisitive.

[Asmodean]

12 new autopsy reports were presented to court today. As with others presented this far, shot at close range and died of head and neck injuries.

The presentations mirror Breivik's movements on the island, and today was mainly about those killed around kjærlighetsstien.

Several witnesses who were shot by the accused and survived, want him removed from court room while they testify. The court was made aware of their wish and may grant it.

[Asmodean]

The journalists covering the case from the ourt room - they all know that every national newspaper and TV station is there, and they all know that everyone says the same thing. Yet no-one crosses a line in order to get that extra reader or viewer.

They keep the information well watered down and to the point, and for recognising that this case is not about making a name or getting the numbers up, they have my respect. I have rarely - if ever - seen such attitudes in foreign press.

[DeterminedJuliet]

Several witnesses who were shot by the accused and survived, want him removed from court room while they testify.

Can't say that I blame them.

[Asmodean]

Indeed. It does make an already emotionally charged situation worse for them.

[Ali]

It is important though, what they are doing. Those kids are not just numbers on a sheet of paper, and... There is a story behind every digit, and that's easy to forget when dealing with the whole... And it shoudln't be forgotten.

This is so true.  What happened was a heartbreaking tradgedy, but it's kind of easy to lose sight of the individual victims in the face of such a huge overwhelming number.  You hear that he killed 77 people, and that's what you think about, the sheer numbers.  But the more important piece is that each one of those 77 people was a unique person, and probably meant the world to their family.  When I think about how I would feel to lose someone I love in that senseless way, it makes me want to personally tear Anders Breivik limb from limb with my bare hands.   

I guess that's why he has to be protected in jail, so that people who actually have the opportunity to rip him into small pieces won't be able to.

[Asmodean]

I think most people want justice according to the law more than they want to take the law into their own hands - after all, that is exactly what the acused claims to have done.

I also think it is a testament to the quality of our justice system, that even in a case like this, everyone's rights are protected in the best way possible - even Breiviks. Personally, I wouldn't have it any other way because, despite the tragedy of it all, I like what this whole mess and our dealing with it says about us as a society.

[Ali]

Oh, I agree.  The way your country is handling it is admirable.  I'm just saying, I can't help but picture what I would do if someone shot *my* kid at a summer camp, and it makes me feel absolutely wild.  Like tearing them apart with my bare hands wild.  I'm not saying that would be the correct thing to do, but that is what I would want to do, I think.