Theist Commentary: How to tell your family you are an atheist.

[AnimatedDirt]

So, wait, it's okay to chronically break one of the Ten Commandments because of Jesus?  

Depends what you mean by Chronically.

I don't want to be accused of preaching.  The short answer is we know what is right and wrong and therefore ought to act accordingly.  To rationalize sin is to disregard God's law as holy and thumb our noses at God claiming, "I can do this because I have freedom to sin being covered by Christ's righteousness."  That is one claiming to be a Christian when he/she is not one at all.

[LegendarySandwich]

So, wait, it's okay to chronically break one of the Ten Commandments because of Jesus?  

Depends what you mean by Chronically.

I don't want to be accused of preaching.  The short answer is we know what is right and wrong and therefore ought to act accordingly.  To rationalize sin is to disregard God's law as holy and thumb our noses at God claiming, "I can do this because I have freedom to sin being covered by Christ's righteousness."  That is one claiming to be a Christian when he/she is not one at all.

No Christian I know of "keeps the Sabbath holy", or even attempts to.

Do you?

[AnimatedDirt]

So, wait, it's okay to chronically break one of the Ten Commandments because of Jesus?  

Depends what you mean by Chronically.

I don't want to be accused of preaching.  The short answer is we know what is right and wrong and therefore ought to act accordingly.  To rationalize sin is to disregard God's law as holy and thumb our noses at God claiming, "I can do this because I have freedom to sin being covered by Christ's righteousness."  That is one claiming to be a Christian when he/she is not one at all.

No Christian I know of "keeps the Sabbath holy", or even attempts to.

Do you?

Maybe you should do a simple query on g00gle instead of making such a statement.  YOU may not know one, that hardly makes your statement so.

If you want to discuss, I suppose a thread specifically on this would be better than hijacking this.

[LegendarySandwich]

Maybe you should do a simple query on g00gle instead of making such a statement.  YOU may not know one, that hardly makes your statement so.

If you want to discuss, I suppose a thread specifically on this would be better than hijacking this.

I searched, and I couldn't find any Christians saying they keep the Sabbath holy, just a bunch of rationalizations for why it's okay to break one of the Ten Commandments, God's holy, eternal, unchanging moral code and truth about how we should live our lives.

By the way, this thread was derailed long ago.

[Whitney]

Maybe you should do a simple query on g00gle instead of making such a statement.  YOU may not know one, that hardly makes your statement so.

If you want to discuss, I suppose a thread specifically on this would be better than hijacking this.

I searched, and I couldn't find any Christians saying they keep the Sabbath holy, just a bunch of rationalizations for why it's okay to break one of the Ten Commandments, God's holy, eternal, unchanging moral code and truth about how we should live our lives.

By the way, this thread was derailed long ago.

Try searching for Seventh Day Adventists  

[LegendarySandwich]

Maybe you should do a simple query on g00gle instead of making such a statement.  YOU may not know one, that hardly makes your statement so.

If you want to discuss, I suppose a thread specifically on this would be better than hijacking this.

I searched, and I couldn't find any Christians saying they keep the Sabbath holy, just a bunch of rationalizations for why it's okay to break one of the Ten Commandments, God's holy, eternal, unchanging moral code and truth about how we should live our lives.

By the way, this thread was derailed long ago.

Try searching for Seventh Day Adventists  

Okay, but that's just one sect.

[Stevil]

I also understand that he got jealous with regards to other men looking at his wives and hence a revelation which was documented into the Qur'an was that his own wifes should be veiled.

Do you have a source and can you share it with me, and what verse you are talking about?

My source is a book called "Nine parts of desire - the hidden world of Islamic women" by Geraldine Brooks.
A phrase from this book
"The word 'hijab' literally means 'curtain' and it is used in the Qur'an as an instruction to believers of Muhammad's day on how they should deal with the prophet's wives:
(If you ask his wives for anything speak to them from behind a curtain. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts.) The revelation on hihab came to Muhammad on one of his wedding nights, just as he was about to bed Zeinab, the most controversial of his brides."

Re-reading this part I can also see how Muhammad put other things into the Qu'ran to suit his own lifestyle.
The marriage to Zeinab caused an uproar since it violated the rules of incest set down in the Qu'ran (Zeinab was the wife of Muhammad's adopted son, who noticed that Zeinab had caught the eye of Muhammed so he divorced her so that his father could take her as his wife)
"The uproar subsided only when Muhammad had a new revelation proclaiming all adoptions invalid, and therefore exempting himself from the rule that barred a father from marrying the wife of a son"


In my own opinion it all just seems rather odd with regards to how Arabs at the time treated women. Even Muhammad, who seemed to treat woman much better than the average Arab, but in my opinion in today's time this is just not good enough. Even now in many Arabic countries women are treated very poorly especially in Saudi Arabia which the "Nine Parts of Desire" talks a lot about. The book starts off with Geraldine talking about an experience while booking a hotel room in Saudi Arabia.
"The hotel receptionist held my reservation card in his hand. 'Mr Geraldine Brooks' he read 'But you are a woman'
Yes I agreed, that was so.
'I'm sorry, but our reservation clerk has made a mistake.'
'That's OK' i said "just add an (s) and make it (Mrs)'
'No' he said 'You don't understand. I can't give you a room. It's against the law for women.'
I glanced around the hotel's gleaming lobby. 'What about them?' I said, nodding my head in the direction of two black cloaked Saudis heading for the elevator.
'They are here with their husband' the receptionist explained.
'In Saudi Arabia a lady does not travel alone. There is no reason for it. Unless she is a prostitute'"

This type of stuff certainly does not give Arab nations and the Islamic faith a good name.

[AnimatedDirt]

Try searching for Seventh Day Adventists  

Okay, but that's just one sect.

It seems that some people are pretty lazy when it comes to things they have no REAL interest in.  One search on g00gle turned up many links including this one.  It would be wise to read the paragraphs that preceed the list of Sabbath Keeping Denominations.  I'm not even sure all of these are denominations, but rather many may simply be one physical church.
Sabbath Observing Denominations
This website deliberately doesn't mention their religious affiliation.  I wish it would.

[LegendarySandwich]

Try searching for Seventh Day Adventists  

Okay, but that's just one sect.

It seems that some people are pretty lazy when it comes to things they have no REAL interest in.  One search on g00gle turned up many links including this one.  It would be wise to read the paragraphs that preceed the list of Sabbath Keeping Denominations.  I'm not even sure all of these are denominations, but rather many may simply be one physical church.
Sabbath Observing Denominations
This website deliberately doesn't mention their religious affiliation.  I wish it would.

True. What search terms did you use?

[AnimatedDirt]

True. What search terms did you use?

"sabbath keepers"  The link above was the 6th on the list.

[LegendarySandwich]

True. What search terms did you use?

"sabbath keepers"  The link above was the 6th on the list.

I searched for "Christians who keep the Sabbath" and "Christians who observe the Sabbath".

[AnimatedDirt]

True. What search terms did you use?

"sabbath keepers"  The link above was the 6th on the list.

I searched for "Christians who keep the Sabbath" and "Christians who observe the Sabbath".

Too specific...simple is better sometimes.

[LegendarySandwich]

Too specific...simple is better sometimes.

Yeah, but I wasn't sure how to simplify it. Anyways, you're right -- I'm not that interested in it. Christians, like everyone else, are largely hypocrites. It's not surprise.

[AnimatedDirt]

Too specific...simple is better sometimes.

Yeah, but I wasn't sure how to simplify it. Anyways, you're right -- I'm not that interested in it. Christians, like everyone else, are largely hypocrites. It's not surprise.

Like everyone else?  Yet you insist on emphasizing Christians...interesting.

...and Christians are said to be deluded and without logic.

[Stevil]

No Christian I know of "keeps the Sabbath holy", or even attempts to.

Do you?

Here is a famous case. Michael Jones was one of the best rugby players in the best rugby team in the world. It seems Michael is going to be very lonely in heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jones_%28rugby_union%29
"His international career was also affected by his strong Christian beliefs, as he refused to play on Sundays"