Armageddon and the final Salvation

[Armageddon2012]

Do you have any proof that such deities exist, Armageddon?

Yes,sure,I have,but I can not tell you at this moment.
There are many reasons that I can not tell you.
One of the reasons for not telling you is for not to let you get hurt when you do not have the piety and sincerity.Take Stevil for example,when people have no piety and sincerity towards Deity,they dare think,and say anything they like,and thus they committed a felony in ignorance, the sacrilege will be sooner or later put into retribution by the executor if not duly repented.

Some very high level Deities'  names can not even be let known to human beings,let alone atheists,which is also on purpuse to protect people who are ignorant.Atheists are the least to know anything about Deities.

Rules are set by Deities,not by humans.For example,what are desires of human beings are defined by Deities,the willingness of human beings to become immortal and divine are not defined as human secular desires.

[Whitney]

Warning 1
This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=2&p=96979#p96979 .

Preaching is against the forum rules, if you are not able to support your claims with evidence then you shouldn't be posting at HAF.

[Stevil]

I'm so glad,finally I meet a dude with high intelligence.

I take it that you have insulted everyone (except LegendarySandwich) who has taken the time to converse with you on this thread

[Armageddon2012]

Warning 1
This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=2&p=96979#p96979 .

Preaching is against the forum rules, if you are not able to support your claims with evidence then you shouldn't be posting at HAF.

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OK,thanks for the warning,though I did not agree with it,I had to accept it because it seems there is no other way for me.
I will come back with evidence very soon.

[DJAkuma]

Sounds like someone needs to have their dosage adjusted...

[Stevil]

Why has the original post been completely rewritten? It's now a completely original work all about Jesus Christ.
I assume you are no longer buddhist?

[Tank]

This is the new OP. Kick this disingenuous fucker off the forum!

How to wait Upon Messiah


The Revelation was written about 1900 years ago,which prophesies the return,or second coming of Jesus Christ, Messiah  about over 1900 years later ,and people  were told  to wait upon  Messiah.

But the problem is that the return of Jesus Christ,Messiah are expected to take place more than 1900 years later,from the time the Revelation was written.So with the life expectation less than one hundred years of each human beings,how can we wait for Jesus Christ,who will only return over 1900 years later? The time to wait exceeds the life expectation of each individual.

The Bible tells people what to do ,but does not tell people why and how to.
The following also answers the questions whence the evil of war in human world while answering the question of why and how to wait.

Apparently  no one could live out the 1900 years to witness the return of Jesus Christ .So there must have been some implied allusions that have not been revealed in the Bible ,otherwise it does not make any sense when it asked you to wait while there was no way for you to wait at all for such a long period of time although it did not indicate clearly for how long people have to wait. Well ,suppose it indicated clearly how long people have to wait ,there will be a lot of problems arising from that .First it violates the rule that prophecy must be obscure and written in a detoured and indirect way; second ,it had to point to an exact date on which Jesus Christ will be Returning ,it again violates the above said rule ,and actually future event prophesied in any prophecy has some uncertainty ,which is one of the reasons that it has to be detoured ;third ,there is no such doctrine as reincarnation in Christian although the return of Jesus Christ is for sure a reincarnation.

So ,the problem is how to wait for so long .Reincarnation is not only a doctrine ,it is actually a natural phenomenon that has not yet been fully understood by recognized by human science .But the question and problem of how to wait for such a long time is still not answered nor solved because if everyone could be reincarnated successfully and undoubtedly ,there would be no need for Jesus Christ to remind us in particular to wait upon his return.

Here reincarnation is not the focus of our topic ,we assume reincarnation as a prerequisite for being able to wait.

The point is that although human beings could be reincarnated  as humans for many lives ,many of the them  may lose the chance to be reincarnated as a human when their standard of morality is not as high as that of a human being ,or is lower than human being ,or not up to the human being’s moral standard because of the karma and sin that had been accumulated in his life time and all his previous lives.
In case of which ,a human being may be incarnated into an animal ,or a plant ,or a stone ,or be kept in hell or purgatory, so when Jesus Christ returns, someone may not be here as a human being ,that’s the point why Jesus Christ told the multitudes to wait upon his return ,Be a good man always ,and do not kill ,do not sin ,do not lose your chance to be reincarnated as a human being ,so that you would not be absent in human world when Jesus Christ returns .And do not be an Atheist when I return ,since if you were one at the time of Christ return ,you would no more believe in him and would not listen to him any more even if he returns .It will be pointless for Christ to return when the majority of multitudes on earth have become atheists.

So the question is half answered ,but problem remains unsolved since many people will lose the chance to be a human any more ,and by the time Jesus Christ returns, they will not be available to witness it.

What to be done? And this is the main point about how to wait .It also answers the question of whence the evil.

In the human world, there are good and bad ,which includes everything .In the upper level of realms ,there are Deities and Demons .which we know as Satan .Satan is one of the demons .The demons do all the bad things, but they can not do whatever they want ,they act and behave according to certain rules.

We know in human world there are many evils ,such as :wars ,famines ,pestilences ,diseases ,floods ,droughts ,earthquakes ,tsunamis ,volcano explosions ,human atrocities and slaughtering and massacre ,terrorists attacking ,etc ,and  all kind of sufferings.

There are some people attribute all these evils to God or Deities, this is definitely not correct.

The cosmos need a kind of equilibrium between good and bad ,nice and evil ,Deities and demons .The demons are the executors of all kinds of evil things  to keep the cosmos equilibrium.

Secular People think that there is nothing wrong in pursuit of a secular happy life ,to have sex just for fun ,to kill animal for eating the meat ,to kill people for their own political or economical benefits,  to be jealous of others ,all these deeds may not be up to the standards set up for humans by Deities, and thus too much sins and karma have been accumulated and built up .Then here comes Demon to perform his function .They will arrange various kinds of evil things to happen in human world .Many people will be slaughtered ,massacred
In the various evil events .Demons are not Deities ,although they power that is much transcending humans’ ,we can condemn them for all the evil arrangements, but we can not stop them from doing so because their power transcends ours..But human beings have to be held responsible for most of the evil things because demons do not do the killings by themselves in any war, they just manipulated human being themselves ,let them do the killings .

In my previous postings I had mentioned that human beings were created with half evil nature and half good nature .That is why human beings can be easily manipulated by the demons to start wars to kill.

We human being must condemn all kinds of wars ,killings ,slaughtering and massacring .

But one of the consequences  of killings and disasters ,much beyond our imagination, is that people have got rid of their karma and sins,and they will acquire the chances to be back to be a human being again ,and thus he will be present and will be able to witness the return of Jesus Christ.

That is what it takes for a human being to be able to wait and how to wait ,and what is implied in the Bible for waiting.
It also answers the question of whence the evil in human world.

Of course ,all the events had been arranged for the return of Messiah. Even if it were not for the coming of Messiah ,all the arrangements will still be somewhat the same .

Here is the original post at Sam Harris forum http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/ Where Armageddon2012 goes under the user name Armageddon and the final Salvation

Here is the full post. Please note it appears truncated at the end. This is a s it appears at Sam Harris site. I assume that means it was a copy pasta there and there is a post word limit that cut the post short.

Rise Up To The Challenge of Epicurus: Whence The Evil?

  â€"A Public Letter To Mr. Dr.Stephen William Hawkin ,Dr.Sam Harris as well As All The Atheists In Our Human History
  â€"A Dialogue Among Muslims ,Christians and Buddhists

Dear Dr.Stephen William Hawkin,
    Dr.Sam Harris,

I’m a Chinese man whom you do not know .The reason that I am about to write a series of open letters to you is nothing personal .It is simply because both of you are atheists as well as a world renowned scientist or scholar,and I’m a theist. So by writing to you I’m rising up to the atheistic challenge posed by the atheists ,skeptics ,agnostics and antichrists to theism since over 2200 years ago from Epicurus in ancient Greece times ,and Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche , Karl Marx and ,and Charles Darwin (who was no an atheist,but whose theory provided theoretical support to Atheits) in 19th century , and you, Dr.Stephen William Hawkin and Dr.Sam Harris, as the prominent contemporaries of all those figures mentioned above ,and the most extraordinary figures and scientists of our times ,which means that I’m writing to the figures up in the history and down to present time .This is why I chose you to write to .

There is another reason that I have opted to write to you, of which I must be honest and frank to say that it is because time is so short before the final salvation ,as mentioned in many prophecies, and it is so urgent that I need your fame ,prominence and popularity to attract the attention of the whole world to focus on the urgent matter as 2012 is drawing near so soon.

In page 6 of the Book with the title of “Problem of Unbelief ” ,By Wayne Jackson ,which is a part of the Series of “Fortify Your Faith”,

the writer wrote that:

The problem of pain and suffering in all ages ,has stood as a paramount challenge in the thinking of men .The challenge the age-old problem presents is expressed in these words :“the dilemma of Epicurus is still with us ,if God wishes to prevent evil but cannot,then he is impotent ;if he could ,but will not ,he is malevolent ;if he has both the power and the will ,whence the evil?”

(Harrison,1960,505).

Since Epicurus was living at the time when Jesus Christ had not descended onto earth yet ,and he did not witness what would have evolved into the world history of two world wars and the over 2000 years of human history ,if he lives at our age, the list of his dilemmas will go on .Such as: If there is the God ,why there is the development of empirical science that either has not proved the existence of God ,or has never been able to and hence result in the wide spread of atheists and agnostics ? If God is omnipotent , why there are atheists ,skeptics ,agnostics and Antichrists on the earth that was supposed to be created by Him ,and all those have somewhat the tendency to be against Him ,and so what does it mean that the Omnipotent God even had created something against Himself and why he had done so?

This issue of Dilemma of Epicurus has haunted us humans for over 2200 years ever since Epicurus put it out in ancient Greece .I was an atheist before the age of 36,and grew up in a country of atheism ,China ,educated and instilled with a lot crap of atheist and communist theories .But I was lucky to be converted into a Theist at the age of 36 when I had the fortune to read a great Book by the Greatest Supreme Deity.

This dilemma seems to be a challenge to everyone who has faith in their Deity .But actually not ,such dilemma does not exist to me and to all Buddhists .Let me explain to you how and why .But still I believe this is the challenge that I must face ,and to rise up to the challenge ,and to give my own answer to it. Here are my answers to the challenge.

There are a lot of evils in human world ,let’s tackle the following ones:

War VS peace ,Terrorism/violence VS non-violence and disease VS health ,hatred VS mercy/tolerance among humans with different religion background.

First ,War VS Peace and Terrorism/violence VS Non-violence:

Where is the position of humans’ world in the universe? In my opinion the position is somewhere or half way between Deity’s and Demon’s worlds,it also means that we are so created to be with some quality of Deity and some quality of Demons,that we humans have many good virtues,such as kindess,compassion,integrity,love,fortitude,tolerance etc ,but we also have some evil qualities,such

as brutal atrocity,inhumanity and cruelty,the impulse for slaughtering,avarice and miserliness,the desire to rule all others and

the world,the pursuit for happiness regardless of the happiness of others which is selfish.This is the truth,the evidence ,the facts

and the human reality that we all humans know as humans,but there is something that we are still not aware of,which is,that we humans are particularly created to be so, so that if we eradicate and relinquish the half of the evil quality,we will become Deity,and become immortal,and so that if we eradicate and relinquish the half of the divine quality, we will become demons and devils.

We humans have always wondered where we come from and where we are off to,well,let me be frank with you,that we all originally come from divine worlds, ( please note that I use plural form for the divine “worlds”,which means different races are from different

divine worlds,Europeans,Africans and Asians have different divine worlds,and by the way,that is why marriage between different

races are forbidden by the Deity of each of our own,because in case of aforementioned sublimation,the off-spring of the mixed marriage have no divine world to go to,but since this has become a far ranging issue,some adjustments have been made to tackle it,which does not mean the encouraging of such marriage. although some of us may have had been to hell,for the retribution of their sins and karma,they were given the second chance to be a human,for sure,originally we all came from some divine worlds).

AS for where we are off to,it all depends on the choices we have made and will make,and what we have done and will do in our lives.For sure there are those who were sent to eternal hell,that those who will never be given the second chance to be back to human world again,those who had committed antichrist felony.And there are those who are still committing such felony at present time.

Well,it is somewhat off the track of our subject of war VS peace.Let us come back to the subject.

Actually such aforementioned evil qualities of our humans have been made into our human nature.When it comes to human nature,everyone knows that there is nothing we can do to change the human nature.Well,I agree with that because as an individual of human being,I know there is nothing I can do to change it,no one is beswtowed with such power to change the human nature,as the Human nature seems to be part of the nature of natural universe.

Is that true? No,definitely that is not true.Human beings can not change their nature ,but Deities can,the creators who have created them can. Actually such foundations have been laid at the time of creating humans,in the human somatic body and spirit,soul and mind,in the rules,and natural laws, just like that of a computer slots,many potential functions are being designed for future expanding.This is why humans have religions,but in the early ages of human history,this point had never been made clear,humans are given the religion that they are supposed to have faith in,but were never told why.Now I’m telling the truth that I have been enlightened,I think this is my committment to share with all men present on earth of my enlightened thoughts.

We call computer the hardware ,and the platforms to execute our orders the software.Well,the somatic flesh body of our humans are the subjective hardware, and the earth,the space and the universe that we dwell in are the obejective hardware,the religion,and civilization and the culture are the platforms of the software,on which we will place many other functional softwares.With this metaphor,it is easy to understand that humans can be upgraded like that of software,what is much better for us humans than the computer is that,even the hardware of humans can be upgraded.

So the upgrading of the software and hardware of us humans is called the process of cultivation and following up their Deity and having faith in their religion.

Since we are on the subject of War and Peace,I’d like to say a few words more ,which are off the track of our subject.

Since the human nature that had driven us humans into thousands of wars in the history of mankind has never been changed ,for sure

there will be more wars to come .But the point is ,we humans may not have enough time to have the next war before the Final Salvation.

Human beings have the yearn for peace for many centuries, but have never gotten rid of the plague ,the blight and nightmare of war ever since debut of humans on earth and up to the present time .For sure war is evil to humans.We have to say that it is the human nature that makes the yearn for peace always stay in vain.We assume that all men are peace loving and no one,loves to have wars,no one will have war for war,they have wars to have something else that they can not get through normal means.I do not imply that in order to evade wars,people should give whatever the war ciminals wanted,the policy of pacification had been proved wrong in the World War II history because the war criminals’ avarice were never satisfied.

On the one hand,the majority of human beings wish to evade wars,on the hand,no one
wish to be bullied,and want to bullying on all thers,which is part of our human nature.We can not evade wars simply because we can not change our belligerent nature of us humans .But there are other ways to evade wars, which has been proved effective in human history ,that is we can change the rules.

The debut of democracy in human history is a very good paradigm of changing the rules of seeking political power ,before which,the rules were that the defeated ones will be ruled ,and he who has defeated all others will rule.

Well ,Deities not only created us humans and the universe ,they also set rules for us,but they also gave us the choices to change the rules if we are not able to change our nature and when it comes to a proper time for changing the rules.


That is what has happened in mankind history,only we need to fully realize the significance of the debut of democracy.

Democracy has been proved effective in evading domestic wars,but for international wars,upto now,the rules set for us humans by the Deities are still governing.There is no signs of recent changing of the rules because the proper time has not come yet.But believe me,it will eventually come.

In this sense,we can say that the democratic countries have walked out of the first phase of human history,while those countries,like China,North Korea,Vietnam,and Cuba ,the so called-communist countries,have not yet walked out of the first phase of human history.The political stability of their country has to be maintained by high political pressure and means of force and violence.If maintaining of the political power has to be by force and violence,what do you think of the efforts to seek it? well,believe me,it won’t be sought by means of civilization and cultural drama,only it is covered and manipulated in a black political box,with the deals and exchanges of political and economical interests with a full load of political craps,which are always ass-licked as the Marxism and communist theory.But,there is a reason for that,which is beyond our knowledge.

Well,there is nothing for the democratic countries to worry about,sooner or later,they will collapse from inside as they are doomed to .

We can neither place our hope of eradicating international wars on the changing of human nature,simply because th

[Armageddon2012]

All the posts are originally by me.
What's your point,tank?

[Stevil]

What branch of Buddhism do you belong to?

[Tank]

All the posts are originally by me.
What's your point,tank?

You don't go back and edit a post that you have already made so that all the post replying to your original post are rendered meaningless. Do you understand?

[Stevil]

Armageddon please don't take this the wrong way but I doubt I am alone in thinking that you are not firing on all cylinders.
Do you have a history of mental illness, have you been under extreme stress lately, have you been having feelings of paranoia or have you been hearing voices?
If yes to any of the above, then I seriously think you should see a doctor.

[Armageddon2012]

I have cancelled from here:http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/

[Armageddon2012]

Armageddon please don't take this the wrong way but I doubt I am alone in thinking that you are not firing on all cylinders.
Do you have a history of mental illness, have you been under extreme stress lately, have you been having feelings of paranoia or have you been hearing voices?
If yes to any of the above, then I seriously think you should see a doctor.

none of these,thanks for asking.Everything is fine.

[Stevil]

no headaches, dizzy spells, memory loss?

[Tank]

I have cancelled from here:http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/

Good thing I kept a copy here then isn't it for all search engines to find in perpetuity!