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[Gawen]

Sorry, but the Christians gods are anything but love. They are are duplicitous, contradictory and unclear in their inspiration to man; making themselves and too many of their believers avenging, hateful, wicked, dominating and manipulative. The Bible's teachings (Jesus's in particular), precepts and guidelines are absurd, fatally flawed and very much so questionable. And people glean family values out of that? Look up family values in the bible. What do you find? Look up "family" in the Bible.  The very first instance of the word is in Leviticus 20:5: “Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people."
Look up words such as "trust", "kindness", "compassion" and "honesty". Ironically, the very first act of compassion in the Bible comes from pagan Egypt. The Pharaoh's daughter, who at the risk of her own life rescued baby Moses from certain death, and adopted him into her home and raised him as her own son.

What could be more dangerous than Corinthians 1:9: “But we had the sentence of death in ourselves,  that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.”?

Oh, I know...Matthew 10:34â€"37: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

[Context? I said already that the superstitious authors of Jesus taught an apocalyptic doctrine of salvation...1900 years ago for superstitious goat herders. Paul's authors taught their own doctrine. People willing to take this mumbo jumbo for and from ancient superstitious people and try to apply it to modern times takes the entire thing out of context.]

[Achronos]

Sorry, but the Christians gods are anything but love. They are are duplicitous, contradictory and unclear in their inspiration to man; making themselves and too many of their believers avenging, hateful, wicked, dominating and manipulative. The Bible's teachings (Jesus's in particular), precepts and guidelines are absurd, fatally flawed and very much so questionable. And people glean family values out of that? Look up family values in the bible. What do you find? Look up "family" in the Bible.  The very first instance of the word is in Leviticus 20:5: “Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people."
Look up words such as "trust", "kindness", "compassion" and "honesty". Ironically, the very first act of compassion in the Bible comes from pagan Egypt. The Pharaoh's daughter, who at the risk of her own life rescued baby Moses from certain death, and adopted him into her home and raised him as her own son.

What could be more dangerous than Corinthians 1:9: “But we had the sentence of death in ourselves,  that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.”?

Oh, I know...Matthew 10:34â€"37: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

[Context? I said already that the superstitious authors of Jesus taught an apocalyptic doctrine of salvation...1900 years ago for superstitious goat herders. Paul's authors taught their own doctrine. People willing to take this mumbo jumbo for and from ancient superstitious people and try to apply it to modern times takes the entire thing out of context.]

Yet another fine example of your impeccable logic and reason. I've never encountered such clear thinking! It's truly refreshing! Please, please keep it coming! It's so...nuanced and balanced and I'd even dare say sophisticated in its magnitude of understanding and depth.  The amount of time you've spent studying the Bible and its teachings is so evident, I honestly feel a bit ashamed that I nor anyone else on these boards are at the same level.

I'd have never worked on that dang Bible degree hanging on my wall had I known this is what the Bible taught.  How did I not know this after the 5 years I spent studying every book in detail? Thank you for freeing my mind! God doesn't display the watered-down, cowardly, namby-pamby definition of love preferred by a 21st century quasi-rationalist! He says things that are hard to understand, and can't be tweeted! He actually wants us to think AND feel, and we can barely chew gum and walk at the same time! Abandon faith, folks!

[Context? If you think goat-herders are anything but hard-minded rationalists of the first degree, you haven't met any goat-herders. And if you think daily life isn't apocalyptic, then you've a) never tried to struggle against yourself and b) have yet to realize that big, dramatic end could be tomorrow for anyone. For an example of people taking modern atheistic superstitions to heart, go into any inner city wearing a brand new pair of nikes and a lot of gold (or just ask a group of teenagers in a small-town Florida movie theater to please not talk during the movie).]

[Stevil]

The amount of time you've spent studying the Bible and its teachings is so evident, I honestly feel a bit ashamed that I nor anyone else on these boards are at the same level.

Don't feel ashamed Achronos, the bible is a very difficult read, some parts are to be taken literally, others are not, however there is no indication as to which is which. Gawen is a very smart and yet friendly person and I am sure will provide you in assistance with understanding the true meaning of the bible. But first you need to open your mind, stop the nagging criticism and rational thoughts that you have and simply have faith with regards to what Gawen tells you. It is through opening yourself to Gawen's explainations that you will truley get to know and understand the word of god. I know this through my faith, it is the essence of what I am, have faith my friend, it is the only thing you can trust. You can not trust your thoughts they are simply random firings that have been compromised by the devil himself. You must simply trust and have faith in what you are told.

[LegendarySandwich]

The amount of time you've spent studying the Bible and its teachings is so evident, I honestly feel a bit ashamed that I nor anyone else on these boards are at the same level.

Don't feel ashamed Achronos, the bible is a very difficult read, some parts are to be taken literally, others are not, however there is no indication as to which is which. Gawen is a very smart and yet friendly person and I am sure will provide you in assistance with understanding the true meaning of the bible. But first you need to open your mind, stop the nagging criticism and rational thoughts that you have and simply have faith with regards to what Gawen tells you. It is through opening yourself to Gawen's explainations that you will truley get to know and understand the word of god. I know this through my faith, it is the essence of what I am, have faith my friend, it is the only thing you can trust. You can not trust your thoughts they are simply random firings that have been compromised by the devil himself. You must simply trust and have faith in what you are told.

I love you.
 

[Achronos]

The amount of time you've spent studying the Bible and its teachings is so evident, I honestly feel a bit ashamed that I nor anyone else on these boards are at the same level.

Don't feel ashamed Achronos, the bible is a very difficult read, some parts are to be taken literally, others are not, however there is no indication as to which is which. Gawen is a very smart and yet friendly person and I am sure will provide you in assistance with understanding the true meaning of the bible. But first you need to open your mind, stop the nagging criticism and rational thoughts that you have and simply have faith with regards to what Gawen tells you. It is through opening yourself to Gawen's explainations that you will truley get to know and understand the word of god. I know this through my faith, it is the essence of what I am, have faith my friend, it is the only thing you can trust. You can not trust your thoughts they are simply random firings that have been compromised by the devil himself. You must simply trust and have faith in what you are told.

Scarecrow, is that you? I haven't seen you since the Yellow Brick Road!

[LegendarySandwich]

The amount of time you've spent studying the Bible and its teachings is so evident, I honestly feel a bit ashamed that I nor anyone else on these boards are at the same level.

Don't feel ashamed Achronos, the bible is a very difficult read, some parts are to be taken literally, others are not, however there is no indication as to which is which. Gawen is a very smart and yet friendly person and I am sure will provide you in assistance with understanding the true meaning of the bible. But first you need to open your mind, stop the nagging criticism and rational thoughts that you have and simply have faith with regards to what Gawen tells you. It is through opening yourself to Gawen's explainations that you will truley get to know and understand the word of god. I know this through my faith, it is the essence of what I am, have faith my friend, it is the only thing you can trust. You can not trust your thoughts they are simply random firings that have been compromised by the devil himself. You must simply trust and have faith in what you are told.

Scarecrow, is that you? I haven't seen you since the Yellow Brick Road!

That's not what a strawman is.

[Stevil]

Scarecrow, is that you? I haven't seen you since the Yellow Brick Road!

Please keep this on an amicable level, if you disagree with "my" logic or what I have said I am happy to hear what the flaws are in the logic. There is no need to resort to personal insults. If your intent was to insult me then you have suceeded, I feel insulted however I refuse to respond in kind.

[Achronos]

That's not what a strawman is.

[LegendarySandwich]

That's not what a strawman is.

:bananacolor:  :bananacolor:  

[Achronos]

Scarecrow, is that you? I haven't seen you since the Yellow Brick Road!

Please keep this on an amicable level, if you disagree with "my" logic or what I have said I am happy to hear what the flaws are in the logic. There is no need to resort to personal insults. If your intent was to insult me then you have suceeded, I feel insulted however I refuse to respond in kind.

Um, how is saying the Wizard of Oz's Strawman is a man made out straw in any way a personal insult to you?

[Stevil]

Scarecrow, is that you? I haven't seen you since the Yellow Brick Road!

Please keep this on an amicable level, if you disagree with "my" logic or what I have said I am happy to hear what the flaws are in the logic. There is no need to resort to personal insults. If your intent was to insult me then you have suceeded, I feel insulted however I refuse to respond in kind.

Um, how is saying the Wizard of Oz's Strawman is a man made out straw in any way a personal insult to you?

This in response to my post

Scarecrow, is that you?

I would appreciate it if you would refrain from deceiving by playing ignorant. It would be great if you could please address my post instead of this insulting comment which was offered by you as distraction rather than to address the issue at hand.

[Gawen]

Yet another fine example of your impeccable logic and reason. I've never encountered such clear thinking! It's truly refreshing! Please, please keep it coming! It's so...nuanced and balanced and I'd even dare say sophisticated in its magnitude of understanding and depth.  The amount of time you've spent studying the Bible and its teachings is so evident, I honestly feel a bit ashamed that I nor anyone else on these boards are at the same level.

It would have been better had you deconstructed my points instead of leaving me an insult.

I'd have never worked on that dang Bible degree hanging on my wall had I known this is what the Bible taught.

So? I'm not very impressed that you have a degree in supernatural studies written by ancient goat herders.

How did I not know this after the 5 years I spent studying every book in detail?

For the same reason people think crystals will heal their every ills. Now, why not expand that wonderful mind of yours and spend five years each on the book of Mormon, Theravada, etc.

Thank you for freeing my mind! God doesn't display the watered-down, cowardly, namby-pamby definition of love preferred by a 21st century quasi-rationalist! He says things that are hard to understand, and can't be tweeted! He actually wants us to think AND feel, and we can barely chew gum and walk at the same time! Abandon faith, folks!

Now you're getting it!

[Context? If you think goat-herders are anything but hard-minded rationalists of the first degree, you haven't met any goat-herders.

Well, there's quite a few goat herders where I live. More cattle ranchers, though. I'd wager nearly every one of them is a theist...which in my understanding, leaves rationalism outside the church doors. Not entirely unlike you, except you bring unrationalism here.

And if you think daily life isn't apocalyptic, then you've a) never tried to struggle against yourself and b) have yet to realize that big, dramatic end could be tomorrow for anyone.

You're still having coherent problems with context I see.

For an example of people taking modern atheistic superstitions to heart,

And you're still have misunderstandings of what superstitions are or mean

go into any inner city wearing a brand new pair of nikes and a lot of gold (or just ask a group of teenagers in a small-town Florida movie theater to please not talk during the movie).

So five years of studying the bible has given you at least - wrong definitions of the words "apocalyptic" and "superstition". How odd. I've been studying the bible for nearly 3 times longer than you and I still maintain a coherent understanding of these words and the biblical definition of "apocalypse".

When you can study Mormonism, Buddhism, Islam unbiased for five years each, no need to gain a degree...come back here and let us know what you find out.

[Gawen]

The amount of time you've spent studying the Bible and its teachings is so evident, I honestly feel a bit ashamed that I nor anyone else on these boards are at the same level.

Don't feel ashamed Achronos, the bible is a very difficult read, some parts are to be taken literally, others are not, however there is no indication as to which is which. Gawen is a very smart and yet friendly person and I am sure will provide you in assistance with understanding the true meaning of the bible. But first you need to open your mind, stop the nagging criticism and rational thoughts that you have and simply have faith with regards to what Gawen tells you. It is through opening yourself to Gawen's explainations that you will truley get to know and understand the word of god. I know this through my faith, it is the essence of what I am, have faith my friend, it is the only thing you can trust. You can not trust your thoughts they are simply random firings that have been compromised by the devil himself. You must simply trust and have faith in what you are told.

Don't be so hard on him Stevil. He's spent a great deal of time and money to get that degree to back up his own preconceived suppositions only to find that thinking with his head is more efficient and less wishful than thinking with his heart. It must have been a great shock to him. How's he's going to tell his family that he's burnt that degree in the fireplace must be a great burden to bare, especially without Jesus there to carry him through it.

[Gawen]

I have yet to see Achronos deliver a coherently constructed or deconstructed reply to my post. There are only two possibilities so far that he has not. He either cannot, or he will not. Degree or not, it seems to me it is much easier for him to provide snarky and insulting replies.

[The Magic Pudding]

I have yet to see Achronos deliver a coherently constructed or deconstructed reply to my post. There are only two possibilities so far that he has not. He either cannot, or he will not. Degree or not, it seems to me it is much easier for him to provide snarky and insulting replies.

That may be true, but his avatar is strangely compelling, I wonder what tricks are used to make it so.
I suppose it's the halo effect.
And the skeletal stare.
That's a Christ who doesn't enjoy seeing me sent to burn for eternity, but what can he do, rules is rules.