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Started by Sophus, December 20, 2010, 02:19:27 PM

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LARA

#15
December 22, 2010, 05:06:08 PM
Methinks they are going about this all wrong.  The Tea Partiers don't like the healthcare legislation, they don't have the power to change it, so they are going to try to pass a ridiculous amendment that would damagingly alter the delicate structure of the American Constitution's check and balances.

We could have a better amendment.

The Constitution could be amended to end the powers of the government to create liabilities on individuals for not buying products from private companies.

Then we couldn't be forced to buy any products from private companies by law.  So we wouldn't have to carry car insurance either.  The government would have to provide car insurance through taxes if they wanted us to have it.  Problem solved.  Governments forcing people to buy products from private companies is pretty shady anyway and breeds corruption.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Sophus

#16
December 22, 2010, 05:06:33 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"I don't want 2/3rds of the states to be able to decide to chunk out the constitution just because they are being cry babies over not being allowed to violate separation of church and state.  If they are really that upset over this country's foundation they can secede and good luck to them; I'll pack my bags and move to wherever is keeping freedom for all a top priority.

In all fairness though it's hard to predict how and how often this new power would be put to use. It was "Obamacare" that supposedly started all of this. Nothing to do with Church and State, though the Tea Party would probably like to have its way with that and anything protected by the newly controversial 14th Amendment.
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

LARA

#17
December 22, 2010, 05:13:11 PM
It is very, very hard to get a constitutional amendment passed.  The ERA for women never went through for example.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
                                                                                                                    -Winston Smith, protagonist of 1984 by George Orwell

Sophus

#18
December 22, 2010, 05:13:11 PM
Quote from: "LARA"Then we couldn't be forced to buy any products from private companies by law.  So we wouldn't have to carry car insurance either.  The government would have to provide car insurance through taxes if they wanted us to have it.  Problem solved.  Governments forcing people to buy products from private companies is pretty shady anyway and breeds corruption.

That does sound like the way to go. Of course they only ever shout "Socialism" at that. They would argue that driving is a choice and being sick isn't. But then... that would seem to lend more credibility to the idea of requiring one to have health insurance.  :hmm:
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

Voter

#19
December 22, 2010, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"I don't want 2/3rds of the states to be able to decide to chunk out the constitution just because they are being cry babies over not being allowed to violate separation of church and state.  If they are really that upset over this country's foundation they can secede and good luck to them; I'll pack my bags and move to wherever is keeping freedom for all a top priority.
How would "2/3rds of the states to be able to decide to chunk out the constitution" if this amendment were passed?
Quote from: "An anonymous atheist poster here"Your world view is your world view. If you keep it to yourself then I don't really care what it is. Trouble is you won't keep it to yourself and that's fine too. But if you won't keep your beliefs to yourself you have no right, no right whatsoever, not to have your world view bashed. You make your wo

Whitney

#20
December 22, 2010, 05:32:34 PM
Quote from: "Voter"How would "2/3rds of the states to be able to decide to chunk out the constitution" if this amendment were passed?
It would depend on the final wording of the bill but if it is in the spirit of the following:
QuoteUnder the proposed “repeal amendment,” any federal law or regulation could be repealed if the legislatures of two-thirds of the states voted to do so.
That would mean they could overturn enforcement of separation of church and state as that is a federal regulation; and in doing so would be chunking out the constitution.  Not to mention the constitution itself is a federal regulation and they could decide it was bad too.

In short....the proposed amendment, like most other tea party activities, is not very well thought out in either concept or wording.

Voter

#21
December 22, 2010, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"Considering that states already elect officials to send to congress how would this act increase representation?
This act would serve to "restrict the free will of assholes [Congress] who can't leave others alone."
Quote from: "An anonymous atheist poster here"Your world view is your world view. If you keep it to yourself then I don't really care what it is. Trouble is you won't keep it to yourself and that's fine too. But if you won't keep your beliefs to yourself you have no right, no right whatsoever, not to have your world view bashed. You make your wo

LARA

#22
December 22, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
Whitney wrote:
QuoteIn short....the proposed amendment, like most other tea party activities, is not very well thought out in either concept or wording.

Unless the whole point is to create a pure democracy with all the joys of tyranny of the majority included and the healthcare issue is just a red herring.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
                                                                                                                    -Winston Smith, protagonist of 1984 by George Orwell

Whitney

#23
December 22, 2010, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: "Voter"
Quote from: "Whitney"Considering that states already elect officials to send to congress how would this act increase representation?
This act would serve to "restrict the free will of assholes [Congress] who can't leave others alone."

Did someone forget that Congress is chosen by the people?

Voter

#24
December 22, 2010, 05:43:29 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"That would mean they could overturn enforcement of separation of church and state as that is a federal regulation; and in doing so would be chunking out the constitution.  Not to mention the constitution itself is a federal regulation and they could decide it was bad too.

In short....the proposed amendment, like most other tea party activities, is not very well thought out in either concept or wording.
You need to do a little study on the difference between the constitution and federal regulations. This amendment would in no way alter the existing procedure for altering the constitution.
Quote from: "An anonymous atheist poster here"Your world view is your world view. If you keep it to yourself then I don't really care what it is. Trouble is you won't keep it to yourself and that's fine too. But if you won't keep your beliefs to yourself you have no right, no right whatsoever, not to have your world view bashed. You make your wo

Voter

#25
December 22, 2010, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"Did someone forget that Congress is chosen by the people?
No, but you seem to have forgotten that state legislatures are chosen by the people.
Quote from: "An anonymous atheist poster here"Your world view is your world view. If you keep it to yourself then I don't really care what it is. Trouble is you won't keep it to yourself and that's fine too. But if you won't keep your beliefs to yourself you have no right, no right whatsoever, not to have your world view bashed. You make your wo

Whitney

#26
December 22, 2010, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: "Voter"
Quote from: "Whitney"Did someone forget that Congress is chosen by the people?
No, but you seem to have forgotten that state legislatures are chosen by the people.

They were not elected with the intention that they'd be allowed to vote on federal issues.

LARA

#27
December 22, 2010, 06:01:48 PM
Voter wrote:  
QuoteThis amendment would in no way alter the existing procedure for altering the constitution.

Right, but it would alter the system of checks and balances established in the Constitution. A more limited amendment could be passed to end the government's power to fine or tax people into buying private products and still do the job to end the healthcare mandate.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
                                                                                                                    -Winston Smith, protagonist of 1984 by George Orwell

Voter

#28
December 22, 2010, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"They were not elected with the intention that they'd be allowed to vote on federal issues.
Correct, and the tea party is now proposing that they should be.
Quote from: "An anonymous atheist poster here"Your world view is your world view. If you keep it to yourself then I don't really care what it is. Trouble is you won't keep it to yourself and that's fine too. But if you won't keep your beliefs to yourself you have no right, no right whatsoever, not to have your world view bashed. You make your wo

Voter

#29
December 22, 2010, 06:09:00 PM
Quote from: "LARA"Right, but it would alter the system of checks and balances established in the Constitution.
Yes, it would add another layer to the existing checks and balances.
Quote from: "An anonymous atheist poster here"Your world view is your world view. If you keep it to yourself then I don't really care what it is. Trouble is you won't keep it to yourself and that's fine too. But if you won't keep your beliefs to yourself you have no right, no right whatsoever, not to have your world view bashed. You make your wo
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