Passion of the Christ

[McQ]

....aaaaand we go back to our movie......
 

[AnimatedDirt]

Being IN Christ makes all the difference.  The question then is, do you want to pay yourself, or claim Christ's death as your own payment and live, "even though you die."?

Why would I make someone else pay for me? That sounds very selfish, I'd rather pay for my own stuff. If all I have to do is go through what Jesus went through to pay for whatever it is that you think I must pay for, then I'm all for it.

I suspect, then, that you don't accept any gifts during this Christian season of giving as that would be much to selfish of you.

Yes, you can and will pay for your sin, as the Bible says.  You can do it all yourself.  You can be just like Christ and die as a result of sin.  The problem is you have no power to raise yourself up.  Only God has that power and therein is the difference.  But as you've said, you have no problem doing so.  I'm "gambling" on something different/better.

[AnimatedDirt]

Every single person, Christian, Atheist and all categories of human deserve hell (and by hell, I mean ultimately death.)

Is this why some Christians have a problem with empathy and view it as a bad thing?  How does believing all humans are worthless pieces of shit affect your feelings toward humans?  Do you still feel compassion for human beings?

Thank God (heh) He doesn't feel the same way else He wouldn't have thought us important enough to die for, aye?  If I'm a worthless piece of shit like the rest of humanity, what makes me think I'm better than you?

[Kylyssa]

Every single person, Christian, Atheist and all categories of human deserve hell (and by hell, I mean ultimately death.)

Is this why some Christians have a problem with empathy and view it as a bad thing?  How does believing all humans are worthless pieces of shit affect your feelings toward humans?  Do you still feel compassion for human beings?

Thank God (heh) He doesn't feel the same way else He wouldn't have thought us important enough to die for, aye?  If I'm a worthless piece of shit like the rest of humanity, what makes me think I'm better than you?

I don't know what makes you feel you are better than I am.  I don't think you are, nor do I think I am better than you.  How about you answer the question about how your belief that people are worthless pieces of shit affect your feelings of empathy?  Do you feel less inclined to help people because you believe they are all unworthy?

[Whitney]

I was thinking of watching the Passion of the Christ if it were available instantly on Netflix but sadly Mel Gibson did not think it necessary to make the movie easily available to he masses.  My guess is moves you have to actually mail out produce more revenue than digital download; or he doesn't care about the environment enough to make his company send netflix the digital rights....or he's just crazy, which would be a pretty good bet too.

NSFW:
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[Velma]

Being IN Christ makes all the difference.  The question then is, do you want to pay yourself, or claim Christ's death as your own payment and live, "even though you die."?

Why would I make someone else pay for me? That sounds very selfish, I'd rather pay for my own stuff. If all I have to do is go through what Jesus went through to pay for whatever it is that you think I must pay for, then I'm all for it.

I suspect, then, that you don't accept any gifts during this Christian season of giving as that would be much to selfish of you.

Yes, you can and will pay for your sin, as the Bible says.  You can do it all yourself.  You can be just like Christ and die as a result of sin.  The problem is you have no power to raise yourself up.  Only God has that power and therein is the difference.  But as you've said, you have no problem doing so.  I'm "gambling" on something different/better.

Oh, a 'free' gift* to get us out of a mess that he created.  I see.  Sounds rather manipulative and controlling to me.

*Terms and conditions apply.  See your local church.  However, God is not responsible for any contradictory or misleading information found either there or in his holy book.  You are responsible for making sure that you have followed the correct formula.  Failure to follow the correct formula will result in eternal damnation.

[hingedro]

....or he's just crazy, which would be a pretty good bet too.

As much as I like the film, I'm inclined to agree with you on this.

[AnimatedDirt]

I don't know what makes you feel you are better than I am.  I don't think you are, nor do I think I am better than you.  How about you answer the question about how your belief that people are worthless pieces of shit affect your feelings of empathy?  Do you feel less inclined to help people because you believe they are all unworthy?

Did I make it sound like I was claiming to be better than you or anyone?  Oops.  The exact opposite.  I'm not.

On the contrary, because we are all in the same boat, I feel the same hurt and sadness anyone would feel for a person in pain, or loss...we are called to share the Good News, help first, give good news after.

Oh, a 'free' gift* to get us out of a mess that he created. I see. Sounds rather manipulative and controlling to me.

Manipulative?  How so, if He made the rules, if you will, set the standard, set the punishment and then paid the punishment for all.  One need only accept.  How is that manipulative.  He not only made it possible, but "fixed" it that no one who wants can miss out.

[Velma]

So the god of the bible set up a game with rules that involved him creating the disease, the cure, the rules for applying the cure, and then punishing for eternity those who see the absurdity of this game?  

Sorry, still don't see any evidence that it's true - and certainly don't see any evidence that it's anything more than a device created to control people with threats of punishment.

[McQ]

...aaaand, LAST TIME...back on topic, EVERYONE! This is a thread about a movie. No more derailing it.

[AnimatedDirt]

So the god of the bible set up a game with rules that involved him creating the disease, the cure, the rules for applying the cure, and then punishing for eternity those who see the absurdity of this game?  

Sorry, still don't see any evidence that it's true - and certainly don't see any evidence that it's anything more than a device created to control people with threats of punishment.

Wouldn't control be forcing your choice.  As I see it, you're not being controlled at all.  Instead you are free to dismiss it.  Yet you feel controlled.  If it is a game and you're in it...apparently "God" doensn't have a very good controller to manipulating you in this so called game.  Where is your logic on the control issue?

If you want to use the game analogy, please tell me how He's controlling your moves on this game board.

[AnimatedDirt]

...aaaand, LAST TIME...back on topic, EVERYONE! This is a thread about a movie. No more derailing it.

Isn't the movie about "God" and His Passion?

[Whitney]

...aaaand, LAST TIME...back on topic, EVERYONE! This is a thread about a movie. No more derailing it.

Isn't the movie about "God" and His Passion?

I think it looks like a movie about how can we use up all the fake blood in the props department...

The OP was equally as serious    in asking

Would you agree that this movie features a spellbinding performance from Jim Caviezel?

So if you want to discuss the topic more deeply you can start a new thread (remembering that preaching is against the rules).

[AnimatedDirt]

(remembering that preaching is against the rules).

It seems like this is for me.  If so, I'm not trying to preach here.  At least two people made comments on the aspects of the subject of the movie and not the movie itself.  I chose to clarify that and questions came as a result.

I apologize if it sounded as though I was using this to preach.  I assumed I could answer questions and/or at least clarify from my viewpoint.  Sorry if that is out of line.

[fester30]

I love this movie.  I think of it like Indiana Jones movies.  Sure, the Ark of the Covenant doesn't really  do that humming thing and that melting flesh off bone thing, but it's fun, just like many other ficitonal stories I've read or watched.  Millions love Harry Potter, and most don't actually believe there's a Hogwarts magic school or anything.

One thing I think Christians who try to sell the "believe in Jesus or go to hell forever" thing need to realize is that their own book (this is especially for those word-for-word believers) says there's a way to get to heaven by works (Revelation).  The second judgment.  The book of life.  It even mentions which specific things would keep you out of the book of life (murder, rape, etc.).  So I guess Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and us heathen atheists can get there too.  No matter how hard you Christians try, you can't keep that little bastard Gandhi out of heaven!