‘No religion’ for 40% of Scots ahead of Papal visit.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Reminds me of the old drunk-driving campaign:  "The life you save may be your own."

[Dretlin]

Apparently he's urging the UK to resist "more aggressive forms of secularism" after being welcomed by the Queen at Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh.  

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11313328

"The Pope also praised Britain's fight against Hitler's "atheist extremism", saying that "Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live"."

I understand Catholicism's problem with Atheism, this does however not excuse distorting history and saying asinine things such as that cracker there.

As Hitler said on April 12, 1922: “So today, I think I’m acting accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jews, I am for the Lord’s work to fight. ”

[The Magic Pudding]

Apparently he's urging the UK to resist "more aggressive forms of secularism" after being welcomed by the Queen at Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh.  

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11313328

"The Pope also praised Britain's fight against Hitler's "atheist extremism", saying that "Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live"."

I wonder if the Pope felt a little wistful saying this, regretful for possibilities unfulfilled.

[karadan]

I wonder if the Pope felt a wistful saying this, regretful for possibilities unfulfilled.

I sincerely hope so. I want him to hurt over this fact, i really do. One thing is for sure, my country will become ever-more secular as the years roll on. Religion had its time. It will never revert to the way it used to be, that's for sure.

I'm not usually judgemental but i reserve the right to be so for the pope. I mean, he actually looks evil.



Can anyone say, Palpatine?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Apparently he's urging the UK to resist "more aggressive forms of secularism" after being welcomed by the Queen at Holyroodhouse in Edinburgh.  

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11313328

"The Pope also praised Britain's fight against Hitler's "atheist extremism", saying that "Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live"."

I understand Catholicism's problem with Atheism, this does however not excuse distorting history and saying asinine things such as that cracker there.

As Hitler said on April 12, 1922: “So today, I think I’m acting accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jews, I am for the Lord’s work to fight. ”

Holy crap.  He has no knowledge of his own Church's history?  Perhaps he should look up Pope Pius XII, who called Hitler's invasion of Russia "High-minded gallantry in defense of the foundations of Christian culture."  Mind you, this is the invasion that caused six or so million combat casualties, and another 10 to 15 million civilian deaths.

But it was cool, because they weren't Catholic.

[PoopShoot]

I mean, he actually looks evil.

[tymygy]

But it was cool, because they weren't Catholic.

It's sick, when a church of the "true" god, doesn't do anything to help them either.

If their god WAS the true god, he probabaly said "ehh, its cool, they weren't catholic anyways"

Protecting a religion by killing millions upon millions of people, is a cowardly way of making people convert.




Strangely, I believe I've heard that hitler said on many occasions that he was a roman catholic?

[Asmodean]

Strangely, I believe I've heard that hitler said on many occasions that he was a roman catholic?

Why do you consider it strange..? I'm no expert on Hitler, but I see no reason why he wouldn't be one.

[tymygy]

Strangely, I believe I've heard that hitler said on many occasions that he was a roman catholic?

Why do you consider it strange..? I'm no expert on Hitler, but I see no reason why he wouldn't be one.

Well, for starters, no single Roman Catholic was responsible for 10-15 million deaths(I don't think).

And, the majority of people think he was an atheist, but I highly doubt that.

I'm definetly not a expert either, all I knowledge I accumulated about him was what I learned in a chapter or 2 in school.

[Sophus]

I mean, he actually looks evil.

That explains a lot.

"Something, something, dark side...."

[notself]

"The Pope also praised Britain's fight against Hitler's "atheist extremism", saying that "Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live"."

I understand Catholicism's problem with Atheism, this does however not excuse distorting history and saying asinine things such as that cracker there.

As Hitler said on April 12, 1922: “So today, I think I’m acting accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jews, I am for the Lord’s work to fight. ”

The Pope is trying to reinvent history and thereby eliminate the complicity of the Church in the support of Nazi Germany.

"There is general agreement that the Concordat increased substantially the prestige of Hitler's regime around the world. As Cardinal Faulhaber put it in a sermon delivered in 1937: "At a time when the heads of the major nations in the world faced the new Germany with cool reserve and considerable suspicion, the Catholic Church, the greatest moral power on earth, through the Concordat expressed its confidence in the new German government. This was a deed of immeasurable significance for the reputation of the new government abroad." http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Reichskonkordat

Here is the text of the Concordat. http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showkb.php ... kb_id=1211

Article 16

Before bishops take possession of their dioceses they are to take an oath of loyalty either to the Reich governor of the state (Land) concerned or to the President of the Reich respectively, according to the following formula:

"Before God and on the Holy Gospels I swear and promise, as becomes a bishop, loyalty to the German Reich and to the State (Land) of . . . I swear and promise to honour the legally constituted government and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honour it. With dutiful concern for the welfare and the interests of the German state, in the performance of the ecclesiastical office entrusted to me, I will endeavour to prevent everything injurious which might threaten it."

[Roganthis72]

Strangely, I believe I've heard that hitler said on many occasions that he was a roman catholic?

Why do you consider it strange..? I'm no expert on Hitler, but I see no reason why he wouldn't be one.

Well, for starters, no single Roman Catholic was responsible for 10-15 million deaths(I don't think).

I've done the math before but I'm not 100%, the crusades resulted in the death of something like 10% of humanity whereas the holocaust, Mao and stalin resulted in abt 2% death rate.

And, the majority of people think he was an atheist, but I highly doubt that.

I'm definetly not a expert either, all I knowledge I accumulated about him was what I learned in a chapter or 2 in school.

In the book "Mien Kampf(y chair   ) Hitler displays great affection for the local Abbot while growing up, and often says that the man inspired him to be a priest.  So I'm gonna say no, Hitler was not an atheist.

[Asmodean]

Well, for starters, no single Roman Catholic was responsible for 10-15 million deaths(I don't think).

The pope who started the crusades..?  

Not quite that many million deaths, but you have to take in consideration the over time population increase in the world inbetween 1100-ish and 1940-ish..

[Thumpalumpacus]

I've done a lot of reading on Hitler's life.  I'm certain he was  theist.  Tank's point that Addie would've used Christianity as a political tool is spot-on; but he repeatedly referred to "God", the "Almighty", or "Providence" in his private discussions as well, according to several different sources, including William Shirer, John Toland, and Albert Speer.

[Tank]

I've done a lot of reading on Hitler's life.  I'm certain he was  theist.  Tank's point that Addie would've used Christianity as a political tool is spot-on; but he repeatedly referred to "God", the "Almighty", or "Providence" in his private discussions as well, according to several different sources, including William Shirer, John Toland, and Albert Speer.

Interesting.