Atheism is Abdication

[philosoraptor]

Can this thread be about Kitten Mittons now?

[youtube:2lnhpif1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCaTpFwcC9o[/youtube:2lnhpif1]

[humblesmurph]

Can this thread be about Kitten Mittons now?

[youtube:3pfui4oy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCaTpFwcC9o[/youtube:3pfui4oy]

   that's funny every time.  PETA gonna get on Sunny for that scene though.

[Thumpalumpacus]

@ Pinko:

Did you look at his blog?  He did seem sort of proud about it.

Oddly, when I visited, there hadn't been one reply to his post about HAF, and how he expected to be banned.

It's funny, this electronic martyrdom.  Kinda makes ole Saint Stephen look a bit quaint.

[pinkocommie]

No, I didn't check out his blog, but I'm not at all surprised.  One thing I've noticed - the more someone claims to be 'not your average theist' online, the more they tend to act like a stereotypical online theist.  

So yeah - kitten mittens.  Because the only solution for a cat in your wall is shoving more cats in your wall.  And maybe a bird on a string.  Come to think of it, I bet PETA does hate It's Always Sunny...

[Asmodean]

No, I didn't check out his blog

I don't see wht any one would want to   Well, there is a small measure of personal amusement to be had there, meguess...

[Kylyssa]

I don't expect a response from you because I now believe that I cannot actually communicate with you, due to your statements.  

Great. You won't get one then.  

Exactly as I suspected.  You are the sort who likes to sit around and whine about the evils of atheism (without defining them) while accepting the evils within your own belief system (and, by not protesting those evils, you are supporting them) which help to propagate atheism.  You support atrocities perpetrated by your religion by remaining silent about them and try to direct the attention away from the atrocities you support by silence by squealing like a little girl with a worm in her shorts about the unnamed evils of atheism.  

So you are likely far less morally upright than the majority of the followers of Christ, we get it.  You'd break any law, hurt anyone you feel like - all if it would help you kill off atheism.  

Here's a question for you - if you could kill off every atheist in the world and you are assured that no more atheists would ever exist, you wouldn't get into trouble, and you wouldn't kill or harm anyone but atheists with the act, would you do it?  Also, the act wouldn't take any effort for you to accomplish (you seem to be all talk and no action so we wouldn't want to tax you), all you'd have to do is come to a decision and state it aloud.  The atheists wouldn't leave any stinky bodies lying around to cause disease and their friends and family members wouldn't remember that they had ever existed.  And for the sake of the question we'll pretend that all babies are conceived believing in Jesus so you wouldn't kill any babies.   So, would you do it?

[Kylyssa]

Ah, shoot!  I missed the part about Ed getting identified as a Christian troll or a Poe.  I've suspected he might be an extremely sophisticated Poe.  It seems hard to believe that the persona he has created here accurately represents a human being.

[Thumpalumpacus]

No, I didn't check out his blog

I don't see wht any one would want to   Well, there is a small measure of personal amusement to be had there, meguess...

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, no matter their beliefs.

[Asmodean]

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, no matter their beliefs.

As do I. I do, however, judge people by the way they act.

[Sophus]

I don't expect a response from you because I now believe that I cannot actually communicate with you, due to your statements.  

Great. You won't get one then.  lol

[Edward the Theist]

How is atheism a boot stomping on a human face? How do you work that out?

There is a morality in the world that basically stems from Christianity. The modern world is the Western World, we are Christian, and everyone follows our lead. The Christian idea, though it be preverted a million times over in every church everywhere, holds that there is a God who demands moral behavior from us, and all people ultimately face a judgment in the end, whether or not they are Kings, dictators, presidents, or the lowest alcoholic bum in the gutter.

And, yes, atheists follow that same morality and even brag about how they are better at it than Christians, but that doesn't matter because it all stems from the notion that Christ is perfection and we should be like Him. You don't have to like it; you don't have to believe it; but anyone who's lived a day in their life knows it's the way things are.

Remove that foundation, and to quote Sgt Foley from "An Officer and a Gentleman" you will have to rely on my generosity, my love of humanity, to stop me from killing you. And yet where will that generosity and humanity come from when it finally sinks in that we are dirt clods and our consciousness is an illusion, and absolutely no one has a purpose in life that's ordained any higher than their own desires.

You believe in the genetic goodness of mankind, but that doesn't exist. We are all, to a person, cruddy selfish assholes. Take away the Chrisitian foundation--take away all the little churches along the side of the road you see everywhere here in the South--and we will eat each other.

Society will fail. Social contracts will fail. We will have to go back to the forest and live in the trees, just like all the other animals.

Atheism is a belief that stems from an utter hatred of humanity. It must be stopped at all costs.

So, I'm going to start posting daily articles on my blog. I have decided not to hold anything back. I don't know how long I will live; any of us could die any day, but I will be held to account on judgment day for what I did or did not do to combat atheism. If I don't use all of my IQ, all of my energy, all of my creativity to stop it, then I will have failed God, because that's what he gave all that to me for.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, no matter their beliefs.

As do I. I do, however, judge people by the way they act.

Yes, and I was responding to his first posts.  Like, before he stopped the Thorazine.

[Edward the Theist]

Your point may be meaningless.  Setting aside your obvious misinterpretation of my post, I have to ask, what would you have me do?  Join your two person cult?

By your definition, everybody is abdicating except you and the one other person who believes what you do.  Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, and Atheists all reject your theories.  Why are you singling out atheism for attack?

Yeah, even I have rejected my theory. It doesn't work. It was based on a limited understanding of God. I went as far as I could with it, but in the end, as we discussed already, one has to take a leap of faith.

My two-person cult is not open for membership. You can't be a Veridican. You can only be you. Why? Because there is no organization. Veridicanism has two tenets: God is monistic in nature and the human purpose is to be Christ. So, what do I want you to do? Become Christ. How? Now that you're an atheist read two Gospels: the Gospel of John, and any other one you want, even the Gospel of Thomas if you want. But when you read, consider Jesus as your higher self, and consider all the disciples to be aspects of your current personality. Then you will begin to see that the Gospel was written by you, for you, at this moment in history.

The only interpretation then that matters is yours, not the Church's, not your past Sunday school teacher's, not your parents', not your big sister's--you are the expert. What you say it means is what it means.

That's what I would have you do.

[philosoraptor]

If you got rid of churches, maybe Christians would "eat" each other, but some of us know right from wrong without needing some book or religion to tell us it is so.  If you're only behaving yourself because you fear punishment from God or believe you have to be like Christ and that's the only thing holding you back from being a liar, cheat, and thief, well than yeah, you are an atrocious person.  Goodness in a person should not be contingent on belief in God, and if it is, than that person was never good to begin with.

[Thumpalumpacus]

There is a morality in the world that basically stems from Christianity. The modern world is the Western World, we are Christian, and everyone follows our lead. The Christian idea, though it be preverted a million times over in every church everywhere, holds that there is a God who demands moral behavior from us, and all people ultimately face a judgment in the end, whether or not they are Kings, dictators, presidents, or the lowest alcoholic bum in the gutter.

Is/Ought fallacy happening here.  Also, I thought you said you didn't worship the Christian god, or, at the very least, you were a different sort of theist.  Hey, what's the penalty again for false witness?

And, yes, atheists follow that same morality and even brag about how they are better at it than Christians, but that doesn't matter because it all stems from the notion that Christ is perfection and we should be like Him. You don't have to like it; you don't have to believe it; but anyone who's lived a day in their life knows it's the way things are.

I reject much of Christ's "morality."  For instance, if you should smite my cheek, you'd ought not expect passivity on my part, if you get my drift.  Also, I think this thing about loving him more than my family is horseshit.

Remove that foundation, and to quote Sgt Foley from "An Officer and a Gentleman" you will have to rely on my generosity, my love of humanity, to stop me from killing you.

Not so.  We rely on the social contract.  This self-proclaimed "philosopher" needs to read some more Locke, apparently.

And yet where will that generosity and humanity come from when it finally sinks in that we are dirt clods and our consciousness is an illusion, and absolutely no one has a purpose in life that's ordained any higher than their own desires.

See above.  You can go back to pulling the fries out of the grease, someone else has answered this question.

You believe in the genetic goodness of mankind, but that doesn't exist. We are all, to a person, cruddy selfish assholes.

Speak for yourself.  I've met good and bad people, and have been both good and bad myself.  To quote Solzhenitsyn:  "The line between good and evil runs down the middle of every man's heart."  We are all equally capable of great good, and mordant evil.

 

Take away the Chrisitian foundation--take away all the little churches along the side of the road you see everywhere here in the South--and we will eat each other.

Well, I'm not a vegan, but I'm not a cannibal either, so this seems like an extravagant excluded-middle fallacy here.

Society will fail. Social contracts will fail. We will have to go back to the forest and live in the trees, just like all the other animals.

And yet it's the atheists who are nihilists, right?  Su-u-u-u-re.  What a hypocrite.

Atheism is a belief that stems from an utter hatred of humanity. It must be stopped at all costs.

Your projection is showing.  It is, after all, your Christianity which describes Original Sin, which claims us to be nothing but dust in the wind, which inflicts upon us the disease of self-hatred.  It is Christianity which stigmatizes us by sex, by sexuality, by race, and, worst of all, by our very thoughts.

So, I'm going to start posting daily articles on my blog. I have decided not to hold anything back. I don't know how long I will live; any of us could die any day, but I will be held to account on judgment day for what I did or did not do to combat atheism. If I don't use all of my IQ, all of my energy, all of my creativity to stop it, then I will have failed God, because that's what he gave all that to me for.

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