Atheism is Abdication

[Sophus]

I hate atheism. Yes. I don't hate atheists; actually I prefer atheists to the religious people I know. But I hate atheism with a rather extreme passion. Thank God it's all imaginary. Perhaps I'll wake up one day and it will all be gone.

Bias spotted, in this thread.

I'd say so. Edward, I don't know of anyone here who hates theism. Many of us are upset with the atrocities it can be capable of, but theists get along just fine here. I certainly don't "hate" their metaphysics.

[Whitney]

Edward the Theist,

This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=2&p=78957#p78957 .

Again, preaching is against the rules and so is being uncivil...you have done both in this post as well as at least one other in this thread...next warning is one week ban.

I'll also point out that if I see you even slightly imply the use of weapons (ie praise god and pass the amunition right after talking about atheism being evil) again that I'll ban you on the spot...that's not cool.

[Asmodean]

I think he's a rather harmless lunatic two months off his meds... But an armada of those could cause some serious trouble, when between them they achieve an IQ of ye old regular jew  

[Edward the Theist]

Sorry, this post is extraneous. Read the next one.

[Edward the Theist]

Edward the Theist,

This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=2&p=78957#p78957 .

Again, preaching is against the rules and so is being uncivil...you have done both in this post as well as at least one other in this thread...next warning is one week ban.

I'll also point out that if I see you even slightly imply the use of weapons (ie praise god and pass the amunition right after talking about atheism being evil) again that I'll ban you on the spot...that's not cool.

You know, you let people call me names in this post and in others, and just like other atheist forums, when I defend myself, you only apply the rules to me. I'm sorry you feel threatened by my presence in here to the point that you have to become a hypocrite, but you can ban me now if you like. You say I'm preaching. When, how? That must be the catchall term you use to look like you have a legitimate reason for banning theists. :facepalm2:

And you have a problem with me calling atheism evil? The problem is that atheists won't look at the implications of their own beliefs. I looked at the implications of mine and came to the conclusion that they were wrong, and so I have changed how I believed. Atheists are incapable of doing that, so you all don't see the evil that atheism will bring to the world, and not just to the religious, but to yourselves as well. To yourselves mostly. Why?

Because the religious will fight or naturally die off. By the time the horrors of atheism begin to spread through civilization, religion will have already gone away. You think atheists are just as moral as anyone else, but that's only because you live in a system created and maintained by religious morality at this time. When that is gone, well, consider one of the final prophecies of Jesus Christ when some women were weeping as he was being led to Calvary. He said, "Don't weep for me; weep for yourselves. For if they will do this when the grass is green, what will they do when it is dry?"

Is that preaching? And why are you so afraid of preaching, anyway? Is it because you know atheism leaves a really big hole in a person's mind and heart? Are you afraid that some of your members might actually come to miss what they've thrown away?

Do you really think your threat of banning me somehow threatens me? I already have offers from two other atheist forums, by members in this forum, that want me to join them based on what they've read in my posts.

Ban that.  

[i_am_i]

The problem is that atheists won't look at the implications of their own beliefs. I looked at the implications of mine and came to the conclusion that they were wrong, and so I have changed how I believed. Atheists are incapable of doing that, so you all don't see the evil that atheism will bring to the world, and not just to the religious, but to yourselves as well. To yourselves mostly.

Please describe this evil that atheism will bring to the world.

[Sophus]

Edward the Theist,

This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=2&p=78957#p78957 .

Again, preaching is against the rules and so is being uncivil...you have done both in this post as well as at least one other in this thread...next warning is one week ban.

I'll also point out that if I see you even slightly imply the use of weapons (ie praise god and pass the amunition right after talking about atheism being evil) again that I'll ban you on the spot...that's not cool.

And you have a problem with me calling atheism evil? The problem is that atheists won't look at the implications of their own beliefs. I looked at the implications of mine and came to the conclusion that they were wrong, and so I have changed how I believed. Atheists are incapable of doing that, so you all don't see the evil that atheism will bring to the world, and not just to the religious, but to yourselves as well. To yourselves mostly. Why?

Generalizing an entire group of people as being "evil" for not believing in a god or your god is, to put it mildly, fruity. And intolerant. Members here have tried to correct your ugly stereotypes of atheism but you continue to assert them over and over again like a broken record. If you end up being banned that will have made it at least the second forum you've been banned from, no? Perhaps you should consider if the way you've been acting is really uncivil and trollish.

On the bright side, Tank, consider yourself vindicated!

[Edward the Theist]

I don't expect a response from you because I now believe that I cannot actually communicate with you, due to your statements.  

Great. You won't get one then.  

[Edward the Theist]

The atheist has no problems except the bigotry of a largely theist world.   You use of the word "abdicate" is puzzling.  Is it your assertion that every person is supposed to figure out the origin of the universe?  If you take atheists to be a religion, our "shamans and priests" are actually trying to figure it out.  The vast majority of people at the forefront of trying to figure out the origin of the universe are atheist scientists.  You ask the "hard questions" because you have an inquisitive mind, not because you are theist.  It's the theists who bury their heads in a single book written hundreds of years ago and think that it contains all of the answers--or that they can sit and simply ponder the "hard questions".   If it was so easy to know, we'd already know it.  One has to roll up her sleeves and get dirty to figure this stuff out.   Most of us don't have time to do that, it doesn't mean we are "abdicating" anything.  

 Btw, humans are animals, we are just the smartest ones on this planet.

You completely prove my point. You let others do your thinking for you and then follow them, because that's the easy thing to do. That's abdication. And yes, the human animal is an animal, but look at how you word it. Your use of the word "just" equates us with the cockroach. Now, I have nothing against cockroaches, but I do feel superior to them. Apparently, you don't. But if atheism is true, why should you?

[Edward the Theist]

The problem is that atheists won't look at the implications of their own beliefs. I looked at the implications of mine and came to the conclusion that they were wrong, and so I have changed how I believed. Atheists are incapable of doing that, so you all don't see the evil that atheism will bring to the world, and not just to the religious, but to yourselves as well. To yourselves mostly.

Please describe this evil that atheism will bring to the world.

To quote George Orwell, Imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.

That's atheism. Even in this day and age when atheism is just a growing minority, we see that when human beings are de-humanized all manner of atrocity can occur. Just ask the aborted late-term fetuses. Human beings, as war shows, are capable of dehumanizing their enemies, first mentally, then acting on that notion that "The only good Gook is a dead Gook, The only good Iraqi is a dead Iraqi, the only good German is a dead German." What then will be the case when every human being considers every other human being to be no more than a dirt clod with epiphenomenal consciousness?

I realize you can point out the atrocities caused by religious differences, but it has also been religion that has built the world. Religion at least has a balancing morality inherent in it. Atheism has no morality. Right now, you share the morality of the religious society you live in, but when that is gone, there will be no constraints.

I'm not advocating the Christian Church as it is. A reform in Christianity is needed. But to dispose of Christianity is insane.

[Edward the Theist]

I read this book and it changed my view on the subject http://www.amazon.co.uk/Book-Atheist-Sp ... 059306139X

One does get into a semantic argument as the historic use of the word spiritual has had 'extra bodily' implications. I'm not a philosopher but the gist of the book is that the feeling of 'spirituality' is simply the same as 'love' or 'hate' in that it's just a feeling that one has under particular circumstances and as such is just as valid in the physical world as the non-physical world.

Now there's a book I better read, and it's on Kindle.

[i_am_i]

The problem is that atheists won't look at the implications of their own beliefs. I looked at the implications of mine and came to the conclusion that they were wrong, and so I have changed how I believed. Atheists are incapable of doing that, so you all don't see the evil that atheism will bring to the world, and not just to the religious, but to yourselves as well. To yourselves mostly.

Please describe this evil that atheism will bring to the world.

To quote George Orwell, Imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.

That's atheism.

How is atheism a boot stomping on a human face? How do you work that out?

[humblesmurph]

The atheist has no problems except the bigotry of a largely theist world.   You use of the word "abdicate" is puzzling.  Is it your assertion that every person is supposed to figure out the origin of the universe?  If you take atheists to be a religion, our "shamans and priests" are actually trying to figure it out.  The vast majority of people at the forefront of trying to figure out the origin of the universe are atheist scientists.  You ask the "hard questions" because you have an inquisitive mind, not because you are theist.  It's the theists who bury their heads in a single book written hundreds of years ago and think that it contains all of the answers--or that they can sit and simply ponder the "hard questions".   If it was so easy to know, we'd already know it.  One has to roll up her sleeves and get dirty to figure this stuff out.   Most of us don't have time to do that, it doesn't mean we are "abdicating" anything.  

 Btw, humans are animals, we are just the smartest ones on this planet.

You completely prove my point. You let others do your thinking for you and then follow them, because that's the easy thing to do. That's abdication. And yes, the human animal is an animal, but look at how you word it. Your use of the word "just" equates us with the cockroach. Now, I have nothing against cockroaches, but I do feel superior to them. Apparently, you don't. But if atheism is true, why should you?

Your point may be meaningless.  Setting aside your obvious misinterpretation of my post, I have to ask, what would you have me do?  Join your two person cult?

By your definition, everybody is abdicating except you and the one other person who believes what you do.  Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, and Atheists all reject your theories.  Why are you singling out atheism for attack?

[Thumpalumpacus]

To quote George Orwell, Imagine a boot stomping on a human face forever.

So what?  George Orwell is wrong.  BFD.

That's atheism.

No, that's you taking a phrase of his out of context:

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face -- forever

Nowhere in the passage, taken from 1984, does he mention this as a result of atheism; this comment arises, clearly, from the surrounding content, as a result of a technocratic dictatorial socialism.  In other words, you're not right, and you don't even realize it.

Even in this day and age when atheism is just a growing minority, we see that when human beings are de-humanized all manner of atrocity can occur. Just ask the aborted late-term fetuses. Human beings, as war shows, are capable of dehumanizing their enemies, first mentally, then acting on that notion that "The only good Gook is a dead Gook, The only good Iraqi is a dead Iraqi, the only good German is a dead German." What then will be the case when every human being considers every other human being to be no more than a dirt clod with epiphenomenal consciousness?

You're right.  No soldier in the history of the world was brainwashed religiously.  

I realize you can point out the atrocities caused by religious differences, but it has also been religion that has built the world.

No.  The world coalesced by the action of gravity.

If you're talking about civilization, perhaps you might have a point, in the beginning.  But just as you no longer need a walker to get around because you're not 18 months old any more, man no longer needs religion, because he has lit some of the dark and discovered how to light more and more.

Religion at least has a balancing morality inherent in it.

Insofar as a religion declares some forms of thinking thoughtcrime, I'd say that it is immoral inherently.  Morals are the evolutionary products of intelligent social animals -- and not just humans, as you'd learn if you actually bothered to challenge your convictions.  Also, given that the vast majority of the world's people are immoral to one degree or another, and have been for millenia, how do you reconcile that with the fact that the vast majority of them, at the same time, have been religious?

Atheism has no morality. Right now, you share the morality of the religious society you live in, but when that is gone, there will be no constraints.

Atheism is commentary about god(s), not morality.

I'm not advocating the Christian Church as it is. A reform in Christianity is needed. But to dispose of Christianity is insane.

Not half as crazy as believing paramecia have consciousness, based on a peep through a scope.

[pinkocommie]

Implying weapons. What a joke. I was imitating a redneck fundamentalist, and you know it.

How is anyone supposed to be able to tell when you are being sarcastic or imitating something in jest when the majority of your posts have become crazy rants about atheism being evil and destroying humanity?  No, no one here knows what you're imitating and what you're serious about.  Acting as though the difference between a genuine yet crazy comment versus an imitation crazy comment ought to be obvious is short sighted on your part.  

If you honestly want to participate here, why not just cut your losses for obviously having lost your cool in this thread and start fresh with a new topic?  As it is, it seems like you're just trying to get banned for some kind of weird personal vindication.