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Should a Christian own and/or carry a side arm?

Started by Tank, August 10, 2010, 11:33:52 AM

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Asmodean

#45
August 22, 2010, 09:00:40 AM
Quote from: "Jac3510"Well that kind of skews the poll . . .
Just wanted to see the results. Hangonnasec... I'll change to "Other"  :D
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Tank

#46
August 22, 2010, 09:19:25 AM
Quote from: "Asmodean"
Quote from: "Jac3510"Well that kind of skews the poll . . .
Just wanted to see the results. Hangonnasec... I'll change to "Other"  :D
Thanks Jac3510 was correct in his assessment of the OP.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Tank

#47
August 22, 2010, 09:24:32 AM
Quote from: "Jac3510"
Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "Jac3510"{snip}
The stereotypical peaceful Jesus probably would not have.
{snip}

Snipped out the other stuff because it was all reasonable.

However the bit I retained interests me. Consider the Christians that do perceive stereotypical peaceful Jesus are there any? And would it be reasonable to expect them to attempt to emulate JC as they perceive him to be? I does strike me as hypocritical to aspire to emulate a 'perception' of peace and love and still carry a gun. Have you met Christians that cast JC in the peace loving lamb of God that do carry guns?
Yes, it is reasonable to expect them to emulate their understanding of JC and not purchase weapons of any kind. There are, however, two complications with this obvious (and correct!) point:

1. Human beings are capable of an incredible level of cognitive dissonance. That has only gotten amplified in our post-modern culture. Most people, Christian or not, as I'm sure you know and agree, don't stop to think through whether or not their positions on one issue are compatible with the stated beliefs on others.
2. As a special case of (1), such Christians usually have a self-contradictory view of Jesus in that, seeing Him as a pacifist, they still cite some of the passages that have been mentioned in this thread as the basis for their . . . ah . . . packing. They don't even bother trying to harmonize the two positions because the inconsistency hasn't been pointed out to them.

So your point is well taken. The issue simply needs to be pointed out to them so they can either change their behavior or their view of Jesus.
Point 1, is IMO pretty much spot on. Lots of people will claim that XYZ is the right way to behave, but do ABC because it suits them better to do so for some other reason. Humans can be very hypocritical when it suits them.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Edward the Theist

#48
August 22, 2010, 10:09:14 AM
Quote from: "Asmodean"Just to argue semantics, a sword is still a sword. A gun is not a modern day equivalent, but a totally different kind of weapon.

That said, whatever happened to turning the other cheek..? Oh wait... Jesus was a hypocrite... Nevermind...  :raised:

It says that Jesus told his disciples the meaning of everything in private, but to those on the outside, he spoke in parables so they wouldn't understand and be saved. You are an athesit, and you like being an atheist. It's obvious. You would be exactly the type that would be deceived by parables in order to prevent you from being saved.

I know you have a notion of what Jesus is from Sunday school. He's far more savage than that. He's God.

We can argue the scientific and philosophical reasons for believing in God all day long. But when it comes to the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, understanding that mystery is only for the elect.

Asmodean

#49
August 22, 2010, 11:51:50 AM
LOL! Now that's just EPIC hypocricy right there... When I get home from work, I might just argue a few points.

By the way, even if you believe all that Jesus-gibberish, a god he was not. An offspring of a sheep and a cactus would be a sheepactus, not a sheep.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Tank

#50
August 22, 2010, 12:14:51 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"LOL! Now that's just EPIC hypocricy right there... When I get home from work, I might just argue a few points.

By the way, even if you believe all that Jesus-gibberish, a god he was not. An offspring of a sheep and a cactus would be a sheepactus, not a sheep.
It would be a Cacteep!
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Asmodean

#51
August 22, 2010, 12:55:51 PM
Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "Asmodean"LOL! Now that's just EPIC hypocricy right there... When I get home from work, I might just argue a few points.

By the way, even if you believe all that Jesus-gibberish, a god he was not. An offspring of a sheep and a cactus would be a sheepactus, not a sheep.
It would be a Cacteep!

Sheepactus.  :hmm: )
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Thumpalumpacus

#52
August 22, 2010, 05:21:09 PM
Dude, you missed the perfect opportunity for a crocoduck joke.
Illegitimi non carborundum.

Asmodean

#53
August 22, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Dude, you missed the perfect opportunity for a crocoduck joke.

That being another name for Jesus Zombificus Longsincedustus?  :hmm:
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Thumpalumpacus

#54
August 22, 2010, 08:48:13 PM Last Edit: August 24, 2010, 03:01:22 AM by Thumpalumpacus
I'm not sure of its scientific nomenclature, but here's a pic from a recent sighting.

eta:  Thanks, Pinko.
Illegitimi non carborundum.

Asmodean

#55
August 22, 2010, 09:33:40 PM
:hmm: That there..?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

pinkocommie

#56
August 23, 2010, 09:16:13 AM
Ubi dubium ibi libertas: Where there is doubt, there is freedom.
http://alliedatheistalliance.blogspot.com/

Asmodean

#57
August 23, 2010, 11:41:34 AM
Nice!  :D
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Tank

#58
August 23, 2010, 11:43:18 AM
Quote from: "Asmodean"Nice!  :D
That would be Cacteep.  :D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Asmodean

#59
August 23, 2010, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "Asmodean"Nice!  :D
That would be Cacteep.  :rant:

oO(By the way, what would be plural of a Cacteep..?  :raised:  )
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.
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