Re: Civil Bigotry

[freeservant]

Have a look here: http://www.cathedralofhope.com/NetCommu ... px?pid=225

It's the old 'I'm not a racist but...' comment isn't it? As if adding so fatuous comment lets you get away with everything else you then go on to say. You could always counter with, 'I'm not a bigot, but I have to say that I have found that people who hold the same views you do have been some of the most prejudiced, bigoted and poorly educated I have ever met. I'm not saying you're like that just that what you are saying makes you sound that way. I'm sure you're not a prejudiced bigot. Are you?'

http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies ... %20hominem

Yeah... I can see how you can win every argument with that one.  One could even call it a Homosexual agenda to marginalize everybody that is not in lockstep with said agenda.

You know... Like Hate Speak legislation and so on.

The same method appears to be working in the United Nations only it is about people not putting down Islam

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30567

Put the phobia at the end of any word and get with the personal attacks until victory is achieved.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Freedom of speech =/= freedom from censure.  Quit whining.

[Sophus]

Yeah... I can see how you can win every argument with that one. One could even call it a Homosexual agenda to marginalize everybody that is not in lockstep with said agenda.

The point being made is that prejudice people cannot feign to be civil simply by claiming to be "tolerant" and speaking casually. I can call myself an elephant and make elphant noises. That doesn't make me an elephant.

This is a civil rights issue. Is it accurate to say those who opposed the Civil Rights Movement in MLK's day were racists? Why yes. Yes it is. Frankly though, this woman has gone far beyond merely opposing equal treatment toward them to defaming their very character with absolutely no evidence in support of her nonsense.

[freeservant]

Yeah... I can see how you can win every argument with that one. One could even call it a Homosexual agenda to marginalize everybody that is not in lockstep with said agenda.

The point being made is that prejudice people cannot feign to be civil simply by claiming to be "tolerant" and speaking casually.

I am sorry but does this also apply to activist LGBT's that want to force their views upon everybody by means of a culture war that includes the actions of activist judges?

This is a civil rights issue. Is it accurate to say those who opposed the Civil Rights Movement in MLK's day were racists? Why yes. Yes it is. Frankly though, this woman has gone far beyond merely opposing equal treatment toward them to defaming their very character with absolutely no evidence in support of her nonsense.

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This is a wonderful time for me to ask if you have any links to current federally recognized law that says a sexual orientation is a civil right currently?

I have studied this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

and I don't find a sexual orientation as a designated Civil Right.  I am not sure that any sexual orientation is protected based purely on the persons individual sexual orientation.

Oh and given that you mention tolerance is there any orientation that you think should not be protected?

So it is my understanding that orientation has not been given the same level of recognition as Race, Religion, or Gender so where is your evidence that gives you the ability to conflate MLK with what is currently not recognized as on the same level of Rights granted in the 1964 act?

You may have meant that you want it to be a civil right but other then a privacy right like in Lawrence v Texas where do get the idea that this is about civil rights?

Thanks for your help.

[Whitney]

I am sorry but does this also apply to activist LGBT's that want to force their views upon everybody by means of a culture war that includes the actions of activist judges?

Oh no...they want equal rights...how bigoted of them  

[freeservant]

I am sorry but does this also apply to activist LGBT's that want to force their views upon everybody by means of a culture war that includes the actions of activist judges?

Oh no...they want equal rights...how bigoted of them  

My point is that there is NO rights for ANY sexual orientation as it is not recognized as immutable or a question that equality can some how solve?

Again what sexual orientations to you think should be justifiably limited?  Or is it equality for all regardless of the problems you can easily foresee.

[Whitney]

equality for all...what consenting adults do with each other is not of my concern nor does it have any problems that are "easily foreseen"

[Sophus]

This is a wonderful time for me to ask if you have any links to current federally recognized law that says a sexual orientation is a civil right currently?

You mean like when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of a broad interpretation of the Constitution? Why absolutely:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCulloch_v._Maryland
http://www.enotes.com/supreme-court-drama/mcculloch-v-maryland

Or how about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

The Equal Protection Clause can be seen as an attempt to secure the promise of the United States' professed commitment to the proposition that "all men are created equal"

[freeservant]

equality for all...what consenting adults do with each other is not of my concern nor does it have any problems that are "easily foreseen"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality


This means that anything goes... Children or anything given time and the use of the same argumentation used by LGBT's now.

Let's face facts in that with enough effort anything can be classified as a sexual orientation.


I guess all things are permitted and as long as you can call one side bigoted then you can get what you want.

I hope you understand that equality is not really about full and unrelenting equality in all things as everyone has a moral compass and that means we all personally discriminate in some fashion or another.

[Whitney]

what part of "consenting adults" did you not understand?

[GAYtheist]

equality for all...what consenting adults do with each other is not of my concern nor does it have any problems that are "easily foreseen"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality


This means that anything goes... Children or anything given time and the use of the same argumentation used by LGBT's now.

Let's face facts in that with enough effort anything can be classified as a sexual orientation.


I guess all things are permitted and as long as you can call one side bigoted then you can get what you want.

I hope you understand that equality is not really about full and unrelenting equality in all things as everyone has a moral compass and that means we all personally discriminate in some fashion or another.

  lol  OK...stop. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is innate. One is illegal, the other is not. Stop. Your. Bull. Shit.

[freeservant]

equality for all...what consenting adults do with each other is not of my concern nor does it have any problems that are "easily foreseen"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality


This means that anything goes... Children or anything given time and the use of the same argumentation used by LGBT's now.

Let's face facts in that with enough effort anything can be classified as a sexual orientation.


I guess all things are permitted and as long as you can call one side bigoted then you can get what you want.

I hope you understand that equality is not really about full and unrelenting equality in all things as everyone has a moral compass and that means we all personally discriminate in some fashion or another.

  lol  OK...stop. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is innate. One is illegal, the other is not. Stop. Your. Bull. Shit.

nope not bovine excrement at all or in any way as the same arguments could be used and just ask NAMBLA.

NAMBLA's goal is to end the oppression of men and boys who have mutually consensual relationships.

Go and look at the website and see how this oppressed group is hatefully discriminated against.  You don't want to discriminate and be a bigot do you?

And in no way is any one sexual orientation associated with the greater prevalence of Pedophilia.  I don't have a link to the study but be assured it is not so you can stop thinking that that is part of the debate.

[Whitney]

OK...stop. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is innate.

And even if both were mental disorders or both were not mental disorders Pedophilia still would never be legal because it involves minors who are unable to legally give consent to sexual encounter or marriage.  Same goes for animals...they can't give consent.  Same goes for women who don't want to be part of a harem, young women who don't want to marry old men, etc...they won't give consent. And consent is a huge part of marriage as it is meaningless without it.

It simply amazes me how much grasping of straws people will do to justify being bigoted towards homosexuals.

[GAYtheist]

lol  OK...stop. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is innate. One is illegal, the other is not. Stop. Your. Bull. Shit.

nope not bovine excrement at all or in any way as the same arguments could be used and just ask NAMBLA.

NAMBLA's goal is to end the oppression of men and boys who have mutually consensual relationships.

Go and look at the website and see how this oppressed group is hatefully discriminated against.  You don't want to discriminate and be a bigot do you?

Do. Not. Start. With. Me. You will not win.

[GAYtheist]

OK...stop. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. Homosexuality is innate.

And even if both were mental disorders or both were not mental disorders Pedophilia still would never be legal because it involves minors who are unable to legally give consent to sexual encounter or marriage.  Same goes for animals...they can't give consent.  Same goes for women who don't want to be part of a harem, young women who don't want to marry old men, etc...they won't give consent. And consent is a huge part of marriage as it is meaningless without it.

It simply amazes me how much grasping of straws people will do to justify being bigoted towards homosexuals.

... ...that is all.