Re: God or religion, which are atheists more unhappy with?

[Whitney]

There are many atheists who couldn´t care less about either.

They just don´t tend to be quite as active on forums such as this one.

I hardly care about either, .  For the most part, worrying about god or religion (other than how it affects politics) has kinda faded off my radar over the years.

[Heathen's Guide]

Definitely religion!  If a god did exist, the one good thing we could say about him is that s/he  doesn't show up at your bloody door at 10am Sunday morning to tell you about himself.

[Yrreg]

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Of course if infants are also, as alleged by some atheists, atheists by default state, then they cannot be unhappy or happy with God and religion, and no lie detector can be intelligently employed on them [ I should have added: because they still don't have any acquaintance with God ].

Now with adult atheists who are literate they can manipulate concepts and words to convince people about their being indifferent since they profess not to know God to exist or to not exist, in effect for them there is no God.

However, as emotional entities atheists do have emotional reaction to words which a lie detector can pick up and the inventor of the lie detector can interpret as truthful or untruthful or what we call a lie.

This is a website with the name Happy Atheist Forum, there is also a website with the name Friendly Atheist.

Such websites show that atheists want to be known as happy people and friendly people.

What about atheists also hosting a website with the name of peaceful atheists, or polite atheists, or good atheists, or atheists for a good God (good to atheists) and good religion (good to atheists)?


You are angry at me?


Now, you also are defensive about not being identified as angry atheists or that you are angry at God and at Christians.

I think perhaps the best way to describe atheists is that they have grudges against God and against Christians specifically and religious peoples generally.

In that respect they are unhappy with God and religion, and I tend to see more unhappy with religion than with God, which I can see also that it is because religious peoples give God a bad PR.


No matter that they insist that they cannot be angry against God because they don't believe He exists, but they do admit to being angry at Christians because Christians annoy them at least if nothing else.


How about I say that atheists are emotionally angry at God but claim to have no logical grounds to be angry at God because they claim to not believe that God exists -- and therefore they can't be logically angry with someone they don't believe to be existing?

So, the distinction between emotional anger and logical anger might be a useful way to understand why Christians get the picture of atheists as being angry at God, i.e., only emotionally but not logically.


Wherefore the question now is, Why are atheists emotionally angry at God?

Because He represents everything that they don't like or are unhappy with in life?



Yrreg

[Sophus]

Wherefore the question now is, Why are atheists emotionally angry at God?

Because He represents everything that they don't like or are unhappy with in life?

Yrreg

No atheists are angry at God. Some are angry at certain God-believers. I am not angry at God, nor am I angry at Santa Claus because I didn't get anything from him for Christmas last year.

[LoneMateria]

Wherefore the question now is, Why are atheists emotionally angry at God?

Way to ignore everything that everyone said in light of your preconceived notion.

[elliebean]

This is a website with the name Happy Atheist Forum, there is also a website with the name Friendly Atheist.

Such websites show that atheists want to be known as happy people and friendly people.

It shows that there are some atheists who prefer to hang out with other atheist who aren't jerks.

[/quote]What about atheists also hosting a website with the name of peaceful atheists, or polite atheists, or good atheists, or atheists for a good God (good to atheists) and good religion (good to atheists)?[/quote]
What about them?

You are angry at me?

I'm not, but I can predict from your obvious persecution complex that I might be soon if you continue with this sort of drivel. Where in any of the posts in this thread has anyone expressed anger toward you or anyone without being called on it by other members?

Now, you also are defensive about not being identified as angry atheists or that you are angry at God and at Christians.

Says you. I could give two shits if I'm labeled as angry or not. It doesn't change anything. Nevermind the fact that a) there is no god to be angry about, b) I'm not angry at christians, and c) your original question didn't mention christians or christianity and I answered only the question you asked, albeit rather dismissively.

I think perhaps the best way to describe atheists is that they have grudges against God and against Christians specifically and religious peoples generally.

I think you are stretching the definition of the word "think".... and "best" and "describe" and "atheists" and "have" and "grudges".... do you have a dictionary? Nothing you've posted so far reveals even a rudimentary comprehension of any of the concepts within anyone else's posts. I suppose you could just be skipping over them and responding to what you expect them to say. Imagine that.

In that respect they are unhappy with God and religion, and I tend to see more unhappy with religion than with God, which I can see also that it is because religious peoples give God a bad PR.

No, you give religious people bad PR. If anyone should be unhappy it's them. Unfortunately, too many of them are too busy looking for excuses to be unhappy with us.

No matter that they insist that they cannot be angry against God because they don't believe He exists, but they do admit to being angry at Christians because Christians annoy them at least if nothing else.

At most, we admit to being annoyed, then. Some of us. Sometimes.

How about I say that atheists are emotionally angry at God but claim to have no logical grounds to be angry at God because they claim to not believe that God exists -- and therefore they can't be logically angry with someone they don't believe to be existing?

Say whatever you want; it won't make it true.

So, the distinction between emotional anger and logical anger might be a useful way to understand why Christians get the picture of atheists as being angry at God, i.e., only emotionally but not logically.

The only good way to understand why *some* christians "get the picture of atheists as being angry at God," is to realise that many of *those* christians are ignorant bigots who can't be bothered with facts.

Wherefore the question now is, Why are atheists emotionally angry at God?

It's been pretty well established here that we're not. If you don't see that, it's because you don't want to. Why are you so invested in persisting in this falsehood (ie. "lies")?

Because He represents everything that they don't like or are unhappy with in life?

Thank you, Glenn Beck, for ending a statement with a question mark so you can't be held to own up to it when you're proven wrong.

[Whitney]

So...is it okay if I ban this idiot again? it's not like he's actually paying attention to anything anyone says....

[Yrreg]

Well, if you atheists here insist that you are not unhappy, not angry, have no grudges, etc.

I am happy for you.



What about non-atheists not happy with atheists in the US?


A poll made by a professor of sociology at the University of Minnesota came up with the finding that Americans hold atheists to be the most distrusted minority in the US.

What do you think, isn't that tantamount to Americans who are non-atheists being generally unhappy with atheists in their society?



And why should I care about atheists and non-atheists being unhappy with God and with each other?

I am curious about the issue; and besides it is a good study to come to ways and means whereby everyone would be happy with everyone else, including with Gold or no God.

Isn't that the purpose of every human whether atheist or non-atheist whatever, to be happy or to have a happy life?



Yrreg

[elliebean]

Yrreg: If you're about promoting togetherness and reconciliation and kumbaya and all that, and you have facts to support that theists are generally unhappy about atheists, why don't you go bug them on some of their websites and see how far you get with that?

So...is it okay if I ban this idiot again? it's not like he's actually paying attention to anything anyone says....

I'm cool either way, as long as it stays in this thread. I can see how things could get mucked up if this were to turn into another Typist-type situation, where every thread suddenly becomes about him, but so far it's been a little amusing to me.  

[LoneMateria]

So...is it okay if I ban this idiot again? it's not like he's actually paying attention to anything anyone says....

If memory serves this was what he got banned for in the first place.  He doesn't seem to be interested in a discussion or a conversation he just seems like he wants to assert things and ignore anything and everything anyone says that goes against it.  He didn't learn from his temp ban.  I think we've all humored him long enough.  Unless Yrreg really wants to hold a discussion I think he needs to go.  Sorry Yrreg, I really would enjoy a discussion with you, but just saying the same thing over and over and ignoring everyone else isn't a discussion.  If I thought you would actually participate in any discussion i'd vote for you to stay ... but I don't see that happening.

[Whitney]

the most distrusted minority in the US.

Scientology now holds that spot....

[karadan]

Welcome Back Yrreg.  I think last time we had this misunderstanding too.  We can't be unhappy (or happy or angry or mad or any other emotion) with the tooth fairy because it isn't real ... just like your god.

Exactly. Being unhappy with God is like being unhappy with Darth Vader.

I'm unhappy with Darth Vader! He was very unpleasant to a great number of rebels.  

[Yrreg]

And what is rubbing atheists the wrong way, that I am into studying ways and means whereby atheists and theists can live together without being unhappy with each other?


There is the proverbial antagonism between dogs and cats, and if I were a dog or a cat and you being dogs or cats keep telling me that there is no antagonism or there is antagonism, but I keep on studying the antagonism, you will ban me from your forum of dogs or of cats?

Well, since you are atheists and not theists, or dogs and not cats or cats and not dogs, and this is your forum, I cannot prevent you from banning me, can I?



I will still say that to my impression atheists are not happy with God and religion, in effect not happy with Christians in the concrete in the West which happens to be what I call Christendom.

And contrariwise, Christians are not happy with atheists in their midst in the US, or Americans generally are not happy with atheists in America.


Now if atheists find themselves in an Islamic society like in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, would you be happy or unhappy with the Muslims in your midst or you being in the midst of Muslims?

And if you are indeed unhappy for being in a Muslim society, don't you try to do something about it, so that you will not be unhappy or Muslims not unhappy with you, so that you all atheists and Muslims in the Muslim society where you find yourselves can be happy and do live and interact happily with Muslims and Muslims with you, though you are in their society, i.e., of Muslims?




Anyway, thanks for my not being so far banned or banned again, this is a sign that the atheists the powers that be here are more tolerant now toward me than before.

That is good for all of us, to be happy together.




Yrreg

[Kylyssa]

I will still say that to my impression atheists are not happy with God and religion, in effect not happy with Christians in the concrete in the West which happens to be what I call Christendom.

Why do you ignore what is said and why do you insist that atheists think God is real?  I think that is part of the problem.  You have decided that atheists are liars, much as many other Christians do.  You probably won't read or retain or have comprehension of what I'm going to say here - atheists don't believe in God, nor do atheists think God is real.  

Atheists are unhappy with religion and people who follow religion because religious people will not leave us alone.  Some religious people will  never leave us alone until all of their religious beliefs are made into law and we are all required to follow them.  You think that is OK because you think that your religion is correct, but guess what?  Everyone else also thinks their religion is correct.

Atheists are unhappy with religion because many of us have to live in the closet to protect our jobs and families.  We are unhappy that bigotry against atheists is accepted by so many.  We are unhappy with religion for all the children who are forced to die for their parents beliefs.  

And contrariwise, Christians are not happy with atheists in their midst in the US, or Americans generally are not happy with atheists in America.

Yes, this is a symptom of religious bigotry.  I believe the religious bigotry comes from the misinformation spread about atheists.  For instance, many Christians believe that atheists think God is real but hate God.  Also, many Christians think atheists are mean and evil.  It is also likely because it's legal to make hate speech against atheists and thus, Christians do.

Now if atheists find themselves in an Islamic society like in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, would you be happy or unhappy with the Muslims in your midst or you being in the midst of Muslims?

And if you are indeed unhappy for being in a Muslim society, don't you try to do something about it, so that you will not be unhappy or Muslims not unhappy with you, so that you all atheists and Muslims in the Muslim society where you find yourselves can be happy and do live and interact happily with Muslims and Muslims with you, though you are in their society, i.e., of Muslims?

The only real options for atheists in a Muslim society are for them to hide that they are not believers, to leave, or to be punished by that society, sometimes with the death penalty.  Inferring that a Christian society is better than a Muslim society because American Christian society doesn't legally kill atheists is about the same as saying rape is just peachy because murder is worse.

In Uganda, Christians are trying to legally kill homosexuals.

You know very well that a person cannot survive as an open atheist in a Muslim country.  To me, it looks like you are slyly suggesting that we behave as we would as atheists in a Muslim country - get out, shut up, or get punished.

I'm still pretty sure the OP won't read this, so I'm not sure why I bothered.

[pinkocommie]

...Yes, Kylyssa, but why are you so ANGRY with God?  

That was a well thought out response.  I was going to respond, but judging from this person's past posts and the fact that they've already been banned once, it seemed like an exercise in futility.  I'm glad you responded, though.   Apathy is counterproductive.