Re: God or religion, which are atheists more unhappy with?

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In regard to God, if atheists were administered a lie detector test, and asked the question whether they are unhappy with God or not, if they say dishonestly that they have no emotional happy sentiment or unhappy sentiment with God, the lie detector could show them to be lying -- what do you think?

and what would this accomplish? if the religion ALL atheists (i say all rather than some or even a majority) are unhappy with stems from this god/gods, why wouldnt at least a slight spike come up in the lie detector test?
and when it does what does it prove?

In regard to God, if theists were administered a lie detector test, and asked the question whether they believe in God or not, if they say dishonestly that they have belief in God, the lie detector could show them to be lying -- what do you think?

what if we spin it that way?

[LoneMateria]

I can see that since atheists don't believe in God's existence, logically they should claim to be neither happy nor unhappy with God.

Then why were you asking a yes/no question?

On the other hand, since religious people do exist and atheists know they do exist, atheists can be and should be either happy or unhappy with religious people, hence with religion.

Wait what ... seriously?  False dichotomy much?  

And they certainly are unhappy with religion or concretely with religious people, unless they are being dishonest and say that they are not unhappy with religion or religious people.

You have brought generalizing to a whole new level with this statement.  Not only are you generalizing atheists but then you are generalizing theists as well.  You are trying to make it sound like there is only one kind of theist and that we are being dishonest if we say we are not unhappy with them.  If memory serves this is the type of crap that got you banned the first time around.  I think you are just looking for a reason to vilify atheists and are trying to say we hate the rest of the world.  You are wrong.  All of your statements here are wrong.  Myself and others have tried to point this out and it seems like your response is, "Yes I understand that but ..." and then you put the same thing forward again.  

In regard to God, if atheists were administered a lie detector test, and asked the question whether they are unhappy with God or not, if they say dishonestly that they have no emotional happy sentiment or unhappy sentiment with God, the lie detector could show them to be lying -- what do you think?

We just explained we can't be emotional with a made up being.  This statement makes no sense in that regard.  Let me rephrase it and show you:

In regard to Papa Smurf, if you were administered a lie detector test, and asked the question whether you are unhappy with Papa Smurf or not, if you say dishonestly that you have no emotional happy sentiment or unhappy sentiment with Papa Smurf, the lie detector could show you to be lying -- what do you think?

Does that really make sense?  Are you honestly able to feel any feelings toward Papa Smurf?

[Whitney]

On the other hand, since religious people do exist and atheists know they do exist, atheists can be and should be either happy or unhappy with religious people, hence with religion.

Or they could be indifferent...kinda like I'm neither happy or unhappy with people who are professional chess fans.

And they certainly are unhappy with religion or concretely with religious people, unless they are being dishonest and say that they are not unhappy with religion or religious people.

So, either atheists fit into your little box of what they ought to be unhappy about otherwise they are being dishonest?  

Try this on for size, all theists certainly are unhappy with gay people, unless they are being dishonest and say that they are not unhappy with gay people.

In regard to God, if atheists were administered a lie detector test, and asked the question whether they are unhappy with God or not, if they say dishonestly that they have no emotional happy sentiment or unhappy sentiment with God, the lie detector could show them to be lying -- what do you think?

I seriously have no emotional reaction to the word "god."

btw....what happened to the first part of your stated worldview, did you drop it in the hallway?

[Yrreg]

Of course if infants are also, as alleged by some atheists, atheists by default state, then they cannot be unhappy or happy with God and religion, and no lie detector can be intelligently employed on them.

Now with adult atheists who are literate they can manipulate concepts and words to convince people about their being indifferent since they profess not to know God to exist or to not exist, in effect for them there is no God.

However, as emotional entities atheists do have emotional reaction to words which a lie detector can pick up and the inventor of the lie detector can interpret as truthful or untruthful or what we call a lie.



Yrreg

[hvargas]

Religion and God are both the same, can have one withough the other. Many theist say that they don't believe in Religion but that they believe in God. This people are fooling themselves or just feel that by separeting themselve from the rest of the " BOBY " it makes everthing O'K. Well, Religion has done so much harm and committed so many criminals acts that many don't want to be associated with Religion so they want to negate Religion. The problem with this is the the head of Religion is none other than GOD and in any Religion were this GOD is found there are so many horrendeous criminal acts. This question can't be a separate question so it should state " how unhappy are atheist with the Religious-God on planet earth ? ", or " how unhappy are atheist with believers that keep on re-enforcing this Religious-God from generations through generations ? ". DON'T BE AFRAID TO BE A GOOD PERSON EVEN IF THERES A PRICE TO PAID. Asks the right questions............................................................

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Of course if infants are also, as alleged by some atheists, atheists by default state, then they cannot be unhappy or happy with God and religion, and no lie detector can be intelligently employed on them.

Now with adult atheists who are literate they can manipulate concepts and words to convince people about their being indifferent since they profess not to know God to exist or to not exist, in effect for them there is no God.

However, as emotional entities atheists do have emotional reaction to words which a lie detector can pick up and the inventor of the lie detector can interpret as truthful or untruthful or what we call a lie.



Yrreg

either i dont get your point, or you need hurry and get to it. i dont get why it matters if people have emotional attachments to words.
and i agree a lie is a lie. but if i was asked do i believe in allah, and i say no. but the lie detector spikes and says i lied.... now what? am i now the worst muslim ever? what is your point?

Religion and God are both the same, can have one withough the other. Many theist say that they don't believe in Religion but that they believe in God. This people are fooling themselves or just feel that by separeting themselve from the rest of the " BOBY " it makes everthing O'K.

i disagree. there are many religions that have no deity. also pagan norsemen went viking back in the day. but they kind of stopped that. you dont really hear of people harmed by paganism now a days.

religon isnt evil... just people. and there are "evil" people everywhere. there are good christians and bad atheists. there are good muslims and buddhist that touch little boys.
i will agree that religon is one thing that retards use to act retarded. it has sprouted some very nasty things. but at the same time a good individual is a good person for whatever reason. regardless of what they believe.

[elliebean]

Good stuff

^ Well said.

[skwurll]

I'm just gonna go ahead and be a smartass here.

A "lie detector" is just an incorrect word for a polygraph machine.
Also, polygraphs are not generally accepted as court evidence, because the average success rate of a polygraph machine is about 61%. This is due to how a polygraph works. A polygraph examines the blood pressure, pulse rate, respiration and skin conductivity. None of these factors can tell for sure if a person is lying. The validity of a polygraph test can be influenced by a multitude of factors, such as sleep deprivation, stress, location, and even the subject's mental state .

Lie detectors have an average success rate of 61%!

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Lie detectors have an average success rate of 61%!

DONT TELL MORRY POVITCH THAT!!

maybe its just me but i watch that show when i need a warm fuzzy. there is something about hearing "you are not the father" that makes me so happy for that poor guy sweating on stage. its almost tear inducing to watch him slip from the grasps of that hoochie momma and be free.

[elliebean]

Lie detectors have an average success rate of 61%!

DONT TELL MORRY POVITCH THAT!!

maybe its just me but i watch that show when i need a warm fuzzy. there is something about hearing "you are not the father" that makes me so happy for that poor guy sweating on stage. its almost tear inducing to watch him slip from the grasps of that hoochie momma and be free.

Funny, I get the same warm, fuzzy feeling at the same time, but for a different reason; I'm so glad the poor child doesn't have to grow up with a tool like that for a father. :eek:

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^^^^^
now that would be worth watching...  

[pinkocommie]

Wouldn't that be the epic 'switched at birth!' shows?  I remember seeing one where one mom gave her baby up for adoption, then found out her daughter was switched at birth and tried to get legal custody of her bio child that another family was raising like 3 years after she gave up what she thought was her child.  I remember lots of shouting and cursing and tears...oh the tears.  Aren't those shows fake a good part of the time?

[Heretical Rants]

There are many atheists who couldn´t care less about either.

They just don´t tend to be quite as active on forums such as this one.

[LoneMateria]

I was going to try and nudge the thread back toward the topic at hand.  But Yrreg doesn't seem like he wants to address what we all put up.  So more about M.P..  The people on his show are often times out of their f**king minds.  I've seen this nasty woman who brought 9 guys on the show saying any of them could be the father, none were it, then she came back on a few months later with another group of 9 guys and none of them were it ... I couldn't believe that many guys would sleep with her in the first place >.<.  But there was one where this blatantly manipulative 80 year old grandmother was faking being nice to the woman who thought her grandson was the father ... then hopped up on stage and started dancing when he wasn't.  Some people are just f**ked up.  And they just don't understand that America is laughing at them for being so f**ked up.

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I've seen this nasty woman who brought 9 guys on the show saying any of them could be the father, none were it, then she came back on a few months later with another group of 9 guys and none of them were it

i think i saw that one. or maybe it was one just like it....

i swear im not a MP fan. i truely cant stand those cheesy talk shows. but i do love the baby daddy episodes.

And they just don't understand that America is laughing at them for being so f**ked up

in some way i figure they have to know. or perhaps its just there 15 mins of fame?

I was going to try and nudge the thread back toward the topic at hand. But Yrreg doesn't seem like he wants to address what we all put up. So more about M.P..

MP the new shampoo?