More Child abuse from Nigeria

[Renegnicat]

What the HELL is this, Ignore Renegnicat day?  :eek2:

My bad.  

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In response to reginus: Of course that's possible. But your help has to be asked for, you have to give it, and it has to be accepted. Usually this isn't in the form of material assistance, such as buying food or washing clothes. More like giving constructive criticism or a well needed kick in the ass, or even being a reference for the person.

Either way, you're not helping them. You're helping them help themselves. But even that can not be done if they don't want it. So it's ultimately still up to them, as you can't help someone help themselves if they don't want it. Capeesh?

[Reginus]

In response to reginus: Of course that's possible. But your help has to be asked for, you have to give it, and it has to be accepted. Usually this isn't in the form of material assistance, such as buying food or washing clothes. More like giving constructive criticism or a well needed kick in the ass, or even being a reference for the person.

From my experience, more people would choose free food over a "well needed kick in the ass"

Another idea: Let's say Julie and her husband have 4 kids, and they live in Kenya. So they're poor and they have the older kids work instead of going to school (otherwise the family would starve.) If you give them food or money, you can allow their kids to get a much better education through school, and then it just snowballs from there. In a way, its like giving a man some fish so that he can afford to buy a fishing pole with his wages.

[LoneMateria]

I can't believe I'm arguing this but, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive

Lets not argue like freaking nerds, though reading that seems to agree with what I've said.

I just think they should get NON RELIGIOUS AID, is that so much to ask?

> You cannot predict the outcome of your influence so don't put yourself in any position to influence.

Say you give them food, then what?  They will become dependent on our food because they cannot produce enough of their own.  Then we are stuck giving them food until several things happen.  They stop humping (not anytime soon), they become self-sufficient (wont happen anytime soon), and they say they don't need any more (greedy asses won't say that any time soon).  As soon as we stop suppling them they will fall back into a poverty ridden state if they even manage to pull out of it.  Making another nation dependent on you for food is not a good idea.

In their case it would probably be farming, like starting a farm with utility donations such as seed & fertilizer,
and if they get it going, maybe donate a cow or something...

And then what?  It takes a while to grow food.  I'm sure they have farmers but even if they don't how are they supposed to mass produce everything?  Oh we need to send them farm equipment too, teach them how to use it, repair it, and make more.  Oh and then they need gas for them, well i guess we ought to send them gas too.  I'm not trying to be a dick here I understand you want to help zen but its not as simple as this.  Also giving them these things has no guarantees of stopping this child abuse from going on.  The exorcists make a lot of money doing this and I doubt they will give up so easily.

It's kinda like giving a drunk bum a sandwich, rather than a $20, since he will most likely just buy more alcohol...

I've seen bums throw away sandwiches given to them.  They will find a way to get the booze.  You might as well give it to them their life isn't that great anyway.  Booze are an escape.  

I know i'm sounding pessimistic not at all like a happy atheist but i am trying to look at this realistically.  I posted this because it pissed me off.  Their situation is terrible but trying to throw a bandaid on an amputated leg isn't going to do anything.  This aid that you want us to give them isn't going to solve the problem because it doesn't address where the problem came from.  We need to stop what has happened in Nigeria from happening to other countries and thats why i've been advocating cleaning house.  Missionaries are leaving America to spread the word of Jesus to the "savages".  And spreading myth, superstition, and dangerous ideas to poor and desperate people in the process.  Without these people and without these problems we can focus on providing for our race, achieving new heights with science and mend a world broken by religion and hatred (they are not mutually exclusive either).

[Renegnicat]

In response to reginus: Of course that's possible. But your help has to be asked for, you have to give it, and it has to be accepted. Usually this isn't in the form of material assistance, such as buying food or washing clothes. More like giving constructive criticism or a well needed kick in the ass, or even being a reference for the person.

From my experience, more people would choose free food over a "well needed kick in the ass"

Another idea: Let's say Julie and her husband have 4 kids, and they live in Kenya. So they're poor and they have the older kids work instead of going to school (otherwise the family would starve.) If you give them food or money, you can allow their kids to get a much better education through school, and then it just snowballs from there. In a way, its like giving a man some fish so that he can afford to buy a fishing pole with his wages.

You give them money, they won't buy food. You give them food, they'll eat, but they won't go to school. After all, why better themselves when they've got their very own sugar daddy?

[Reginus]

You give them money, they won't buy food. You give them food, they'll eat, but they won't go to school. After all, why better themselves when they've got their very own sugar daddy?

Really?? I mean, you've tested this before?  

[Renegnicat]

The uneducated don't value education, Reginus. It'll remain less than 100% positive until it's tested, but I'll tell you what: Since you're the moral christian given a mandate to help other by god, go give a homeless bum a check to pay tuition and books at your local community college. What do you think he's going to do with it?

[Reginus]

The uneducated don't value education, Reginus. It'll remain less than 100% positive until it's tested, but I'll tell you what: Since you're the moral christian given a mandate to help other by god, go give a homeless bum a check to pay tuition and books at your local community college. What do you think he's going to do with it?

The reason I'm skeptical is because I've watched a documentary and read a book or two relating to humanitarian efforts in Afghanistan, and I can tell you that the vast majority of children are overly enthusiastic about getting schools. Most of the adults really do view education as the key to getting out of poverty. Comparing these people to the homeless in the U.S. is pretty unfair in my opinion.

[Tom62]

The reason I'm skeptical is because I've watched a documentary and read a book or two relating to humanitarian efforts in Afghanistan, and I can tell you that the vast majority of children are overly enthusiastic about getting schools. Most of the adults really do view education as the key to getting out of poverty. Comparing these people to the homeless in the U.S. is pretty unfair in my opinion.

I agree with you completely. My wife and I, for example, sponsor five Foster Parents Plan children in "underdeveloped" poor countries. These children love to go to school to get an education. In general the problem in those countries is, that the parents take their children off the schools at a very early age, to make them work on the fields. Especially girls have also a very hard time to get an education, because women in their society are treated as second rate citizens. What I like about Foster Parents Plan (and similar organizations, like the "Deutsche Humanitäre Hilfe") is that they not only sponsor the child, but also the family and community. Should the parents take their children off the school, than they'll loose the sponsorship. Such small scale "projects" seem to work extremely well.