The False Prophecy On the Appearance of the Antichrist

[cumdar]

The Antichrist was to appear seven months after the conquest of Constantinople, an event that took place in 1453 AD. This being the case, how could Muhammad have claimed elsewhere that the world was to end 500 years after him? To make matters worse, the Islamic traditions claim that Antichrist was actually present during Muhammad's lifetime.

In fact, according to the traditions Antichrist was a man named Ibn Saiyad:

Sahih al-Bukhari ( book ):

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
'Umar set out along with the Prophet (peace be upon him) with a group of people to Ibn Saiyad till they saw him playing with the boys near the hillocks of Bani Mughala. Ibn Saiyad at that time was nearing his puberty and did not notice (us) until the Prophet stroked him with his hand and said to him, "Do you testify that I am Allah's Apostle?" Ibn Saiyad looked at him and said, "I testify that you are the Messenger of illiterates." Then Ibn Saiyad asked the Prophet (p.b.u.h), "Do you testify that I am Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet (p.b.u.h) refuted it and said, "I believe in Allah and His Apostles." Then he said (to Ibn Saiyad), "What do you think?" Ibn Saiyad answered, "True people and liars visit me." The Prophet said, "You have been confused as to this matter." Then the Prophet said to him, "I have kept something (in my mind) for you, (can you tell me that?)" Ibn Saiyad said, "It is Al-Dukhan (the smoke)." (2) The Prophet said, "Let you be in ignominy. You cannot cross your limits." On that 'Umar, said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allow me to chop his head off." The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said, "If he is he (i.e. Antichrist), then you cannot over-power him, and if he is not, then there is no use of murdering him." (Ibn 'Umar added):

Later on Allah's Apostle (p.b.u.h) once again went along with Ubai bin Ka'b to the date-palm trees (garden) where Ibn Saiyad was staying. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) wanted to hear something from Ibn Saiyad before Ibn Saiyad could see him, and the Prophet (p.b.u.h) saw him lying covered with a sheet and from where his murmurs were heard. Ibn Saiyad's mother saw Allah's Apostle while he was hiding himself behind the trunks of the date-palm trees. She addressed Ibn Saiyad, "O Saf! (and this was the name of Ibn Saiyad) Here is Muhammad." And with that Ibn Saiyad got up. The Prophet said, "Had this woman left him (Had she not disturbed him), then Ibn Saiyad would have revealed the reality of his case."

The traditions go on to positively identify Ibn Saiyad as Antichrist:

Sahih al-Bukhari
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Munkadir:
I saw Jabir bin 'Abdullah swearing by Allah that Ibn Saiyad was the Dajjal (Antichrist). I said to Jabir, "How can you swear by Allah?" Jabir said, "I have heard 'Umar swearing by Allah regarding this matter in the presence of the Prophet and the Prophet did not disapprove of it."

Sunan Abu Dawood ( book )
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
Muhammad ibn al-Munkadir told that he saw Jabir ibn Abdullah swearing by Allah that Ibn Saiyad was the Dajjal (Antichrist). I expressed my surprise by saying: You swear by Allah! He said: I heard Umar swearing to that in the presence of the Apostle of Allah (p.b.u.h), but the Apostle of Allah (p.b.u.h) did not make any objection to it.

Yet these traditions contradict the following traditions where Antichrist is described as being one eyed and as being locked up in chains:

Sahih al-Bukhari
Narrated Ibn Umar:
Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, "I warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."

Sunan Abu Dawood
Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit: The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said: I have told you so much about the Dajjal (Antichrist) that I am afraid you may not understand. The Antichrist is short, hen-toed, woolly-haired, one-eyed, an eye-sightless, and neither protruding nor deep-seated. If you are confused about him, know that your Lord is not one-eyed.

Sunan Abu Dawood
Narrated Fatimah, daughter of Qays:
The Apostle of Allah (p.b.u.h) once delayed the congregational night prayer. He came out and said: The talk of Tamim ad-Dari detained me. He transmitted it to me from a man who was of the islands of the sea. All of a sudden he found a woman who was trailing her hair. He asked: Who are you? She said: I am the Jassasah. Go to that castle. So I came to it and found a man who was trailing his hair, chained in iron collars, and leaping between Heaven and Earth. I asked: Who are you? He replied: I am the Dajjal (Antichrist). Has the Prophet of the unlettered people come forth now? I replied: Yes. He said: Have they obeyed him or disobeyed him? I said: No, they have obeyed him. He said: That is better for them.

Someone might interject here and claim that the traditions make mention of 30 Antichrists to come into the world:

Sunan Abu Dawood
Narrated Abu Hurayrah:
The Prophet (p.b.u.h) said: The Last Hour will not come before there come forth thirty Dajjals (fraudulents), everyone presuming himself that he is an apostle of Allah.  

This implies that Ibn Saiyad was just one of the thirty antichrists, and not THE Antichrist that was to come right before the end of the world.

There are several problems with this assertion. First, none of the traditions claim that Ibn Saiyad is one of the thirty antichrists that were to appear. Rather, the traditions imply that he is THE Dajjal or Antichrist. Second, if we take either of the dates proposed by at-Tabari or Abu Dawood all thirty Dajjals needed to have appeared before either 1070-1132 or 1453 AD. Finally, according to Jesus , Muhammad is one of these Antichrists:

"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour… Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist-he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:18, 22-23

Since Muhammad denied that Jesus is God's Son , jesus considers him as one of the many antichrists that was to come according to the apostle John.

other traditions have Muhammad predicting that the end was to come within the lifetime of his followers:

Sahih Muslim
'A'isha reported that when the desert Arabs came to Allah's Messenger (p.b.u.h) they asked about the Last Hour as to when that would come. And he looked towards the youngest amongst them and said: If he lives he would not grow very old that he would find your Last Hour coming to you he would see you dying.

Sahih Muslim
Anas reported that a person asked Allah's Messenger (p.b.u.h) as to when the Last Hour would come. He had in his presence a young boy of the Ansar who was called Mahammad. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If this young boy lives, he may not grow very old till (he would see) the Last Hour coming to you.
 

Muhammad clearly said that the young boy wouldn't have grown very old before the Last Hour came upon the people. Now let us be generous and suppose that the young boy was ten and lived to be hundred and ten years old, implying that the Last Hour was to take place a hundred years after Muhammad made these statements. Yet, centuries have passed and the Last Hour still hasn't come upon us.

[MommaSquid]

What's your point?

[McQ]

What's your point?

You beat me to it!

[MikeyV]

OK...this is the 3rd post where you have just ripped off someone elses work and pasted it here.

Google the first paragraph of all three of his/her/its posts, and you will see several sites with this same text verbatim.

Lae...can we ban this guy or something? He has a huge beef with Islam, which probably means he/she/it's a Christian troll. No conversation, just drive by cut/copy/paste.

[MommaSquid]

Do we need an "I troll for Muhammad" troll?

[MikeyV]

Well, he's not trolling for Muhammed (PB&J). He/she/it has ripped these off from fundy xian sites. I guess he/she/it thinks that if it can show you how silly and false Islam is, we atheists will convert to christinsanity, or something...

[Whitney]

Lae...can we ban this guy or something? He has a huge beef with Islam, which probably means he/she/it's a Christian troll. No conversation, just drive by cut/copy/paste.

Is he cutting and pasting his own stuff or is it plagerized?  I can find the same stuff when I google his sn but not when I just copied a random portion of the text.  

If it is plagiarism, I'll ban him.  Otherwise, I think he's new to forums since when I did a search on him before (right after he joined....cum-dar made me suspicious) it only produced results in one other forums...so, if it's not knowingly plagiarism I'll send him a pm warning that his posting rights (banning) will be taken away if he doesn't stop posting new threads without contributing to discussion...and that he needs to cite anything that may not be his own words.

edit:

banned, see thread below for links to the original author of some of his posts.

http://www.happyatheistforum.com/fpost4786.html#4786

[MikeyV]

Sorry about that. This post is a cut/copy/paste also...guess I should cite the source for the basis of my accusations...

This text is lifted (well, an excerpt really) from here. So, unless he is Sam Shamoun, this is not his work either.

[MommaSquid]

Muhammed (p.b.u.h)...

Well, he's not trolling for Muhammed (PB&J) ..

Thanks for the chuckle.  Emphasis added to point out the funny!