the Ku Klux Klan is a Christian sect

[McQ]

Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

learn logic, my son.

What makes a christian a christian, then, if it's more than claiming to be one? Exactly what makes one a christian?

[Sophus]

Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

learn logic, my son.

What makes a christian a christian, then, if it's more than claiming to be one? Exactly what makes one a christian?

Uh oh... don't ask that to a Christian.

It's actually somewhat amusing. Often times Christians use the argument of how large their religion is to "overwhelm" you into believing. When in fact, with more than 3,000 sects of Christianity, many of them don't consider others Christians at all.

[Godschild]

No one is a christian just because they announce they are,the same applies to being atheist,hindu,buddhist,muslim and so forth and so on.You can't remove the ideas and principles of any belief system and make it fit what you want to believe or what you want to believe about that system.You are to accept the system for what it says and then enter into that system as a believer.So to define a christian you are to accept Jesus as who he says he is"savior for all"and then follow His teachings.Now for all of you who say you know the Bible and believe that the KKK is a christian organization go to the Bible and prove it,you are the ones making this claim so the ball is in your court. You need to stop playing games and take on some responsibility of proving your claims.What I read in some of the replies seemed to have the same hate message towards christians that the KKK has towards blacks,Jews and anyone else they choose to hate.I think it is disgusting that anyone would link the christian church to such a hate group as the KKK,that to me is no different than comparing the Girl Scouts to drug dealers just because the girls sale their cookies on the street,door to door,in the work place or any other place that 's similar to where drug dealers sale their junk.Jesus teaches love,when He was asked what are the two greatest commandments He replied the 1st is to love the Lord your God with all your heart,mind and soul and the second is like the first love thy neighbor as thy self.How is the underlined in any way like the KKK.

[McQ]

No one is a christian just because they announce they are,the same applies to being atheist,hindu,buddhist,muslim and so forth and so on.You can't remove the ideas and principles of any belief system and make it fit what you want to believe or what you want to believe about that system.You are to accept the system for what it says and then enter into that system as a believer.So to define a christian you are to accept Jesus as who he says he is"savior for all"and then follow His teachings.Now for all of you who say you know the Bible and believe that the KKK is a christian organization go to the Bible and prove it,you are the ones making this claim so the ball is in your court. You need to stop playing games and take on some responsibility of proving your claims.What I read in some of the replies seemed to have the same hate message towards christians that the KKK has towards blacks,Jews and anyone else they choose to hate.I think it is disgusting that anyone would link the christian church to such a hate group as the KKK,that to me is no different than comparing the Girl Scouts to drug dealers just because the girls sale their cookies on the street,door to door,in the work place or any other place that 's similar to where drug dealers sale their junk.Jesus teaches love,when He was asked what are the two greatest commandments He replied the 1st is to love the Lord your God with all your heart,mind and soul and the second is like the first love thy neighbor as thy self.How is the underlined in any way like the KKK.

You'll get no argument from me on the KKK debate. I don't think that just because some, or even if every single one of them said they were a christian sect, that it would make it true. That argument was brought up by one person. I don't buy into it.

However, I'd still like to know exactly what makes a person a christian, in your belief. By what mechanism is the acceptance made? By thought? By speaking it openly? By asking Jesus to be your lord and savior? I ask not as a trick, but to make a point. The point being that lots of people who call themselves christians cannot agree on the answer to this question. I am hoping to get your take on it.

[SektionTen]

Still, you have to admit that the KuKluxKlan believe they are christian. In other words, christian theology has informed their actions.

I don't think that christian theology caused their actions. Without the bible, they would still be as hateful and stupid as ever. It's just that they wanted to appear legitimate, so they used the particular holy book that everyone accepted as truthful at the time to justify their hate. And why not? With all the contradictions and vague phrasing of the bible, you could justify whatever the hell you want with it.

All right, well, It's getting late, so I'm gonna turn in. Till later, boyos.

[Psalm23]

Listen, anyone who claims they are a Christian.. and then they go out and join the KKK.. they are hardly followers of Jesus Christ. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching hatred towards people because of the color of the skin. Can you supply these verses that can justify the Klan?

learn logic, my son.

What makes a christian a christian, then, if it's more than claiming to be one? Exactly what makes one a christian?

Well, For starters.. someone that walks down the street raising their right arm towards the sky chanting "Hile Hilter" is definitely not a description of a God fearing man.

Jesus said "do not judge others, lest you want to be judged in return".
The KKK judge human beings by the color of their skin.

That is hardly the words Jesus preached 2,000 years ago.

The KKK take matters into their own hands.
Down in the South, they kill afro-american people just for being black.
Didn't the LORD say.. "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!"?

The KKK hates JEWS. I don't recall Jesus Christ preaching to his Disciples to hate the Jews.

So, out of sheer curiosity.. I would like to know which denomination of the Christianity the KKK come from?

A Christian is someone who helps lead the blind back to God. And a Christian does not judge others for their acts or bad habits.

Yes!! Even the ancient Christian Crusaders were not following the words of CHRIST..

I don't remember the verse(s) where Jesus said.. "GO OUT AND KILL IN MY NAME!!"
Can you supply these verses?

Mankind is too judgemental.
Yes.. even those who claim to be Christian.

[curiosityandthecat]

So, out of sheer curiosity.. I would like to know which denomination of the Christianity the KKK come from?

Looks like you missed my reply.

Claiming to be Christian is a simple as saying, "I believe that Christ was our lord." As to the extent of how closely they follow Christ's teachings, that's another matter. They're obviously just very bad Christians. Just like Paris Hilton is a bad actress, she's still an actress... because she acts. Technically.

Your whole argument just reeks of haggis.

[Godschild]

You'll get no argument from me on the KKK debate. I don't think that just because some, or even if every single one of them said they were a christian sect, that it would make it true. That argument was brought up by one person. I don't buy into it.
However, I'd still like to know exactly what makes a person a christian, in your belief. By what mechanism is the acceptance made? By thought? By speaking it openly? By asking Jesus to be your lord and savior? I ask not as a trick, but to make a point. The point being that lots of people who call themselves christians cannot agree on the answer to this question. I am hoping to get your take on it.

No one is a christian just because they announce they are,the same applies to being atheist,hindu,buddhist,muslim and so forth and so on.You can't remove the ideas and principles of any belief system and make it fit what you want to believe or what you want to believe about that system.You are to accept the system for what it says and then enter into that system as a believer.So to define a christian you are to accept Jesus as who he says he is"savior for all"and then follow His teachings.

McQ I hope what I write isn't confussing.You are correct in saying that different denominations see the acceptance of salvation in different ways.Many denominations believe that you must do something to gain salvation or that you must do something so one doesn't lose thier salvation. This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.Now to be truthful about these denominations they all believe in the acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior.The only thing I'll say about works at this time is works depends on an action on ones part,be it physical,mental or spiritual.

This is what I believe,one can not do anything to earn or save their salvation.John 3:16 For God so loved the world(people)that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but will have everlasting life.Paul the writer of most of the New Testament said that by grace and grace alone are you saved.Grace is defined as unmerited love,this means no works are involved.So how is one saved,by believing in ones heart and mind that Jesus is the Son of God,He gave His life on the cross for our sins and that He was raised from the dead into new life on the third day.That's it no works involved you do not do anything outside of believing.You are accepting what God has done for mankind.I know some will say that you must confess your belief by mouth and it's true for Jesus said this and people will say this is a work outside of faith.It's not first of all Jesus said we are to do this it is not something we do on our own.Jesus is telling us if you can not confess your belief in Me before others then why do you think you have received the gift of salvation,part of the gift of salvation is receiving the Holy Spirit and He will give you the strength you need to wittness Me before others.Jesus had to do the work to be our Savior,He had to pay our penalty to be our savior and all He ask of us is to believe that He did this out of love.This is what I call the greatest love.I hope I've answered your question.

[Sophus]

This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.

"Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself." James 2:17

I know the Bible better.  

[Godschild]

This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.

"Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself." James 2:17

I know the Bible better.

I knew that was coming.So by your statment who's right Paul or James.The way you understand scripture there is a contradiction I do not see it that way.

[curiosityandthecat]

The way you understand scripture there is a contradiction I do not see it that way.

Well, in that case...  

[Godschild]

This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.

"Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself." James 2:17

I know the Bible better.

I don't think so you have taken one verse and used it out of context James is saying that if a person says he has faith in Christ Jesus and yet does nothing the persons faith was not faith at all thus the person is not a christian to start with.This is what I've been trying to get across to you all this time.I'm also saying that Klansmen are not christians by what they are and what they are not doing.Read James 2:14-2:26.

[McQ]

McQ I hope what I write isn't confussing.You are correct in saying that different denominations see the acceptance of salvation in different ways.Many denominations believe that you must do something to gain salvation or that you must do something so one doesn't lose thier salvation. This is called salvation by works,this belief is not found in the New Testament.Now to be truthful about these denominations they all believe in the acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior.The only thing I'll say about works at this time is works depends on an action on ones part,be it physical,mental or spiritual.

This is what I believe,one can not do anything to earn or save their salvation.John 3:16 For God so loved the world(people)that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but will have everlasting life.Paul the writer of most of the New Testament said that by grace and grace alone are you saved.Grace is defined as unmerited love,this means no works are involved.So how is one saved,by believing in ones heart and mind that Jesus is the Son of God,He gave His life on the cross for our sins and that He was raised from the dead into new life on the third day.That's it no works involved you do not do anything outside of believing.You are accepting what God has done for mankind.I know some will say that you must confess your belief by mouth and it's true for Jesus said this and people will say this is a work outside of faith.It's not first of all Jesus said we are to do this it is not something we do on our own.Jesus is telling us if you can not confess your belief in Me before others then why do you think you have received the gift of salvation,part of the gift of salvation is receiving the Holy Spirit and He will give you the strength you need to wittness Me before others.Jesus had to do the work to be our Savior,He had to pay our penalty to be our savior and all He ask of us is to believe that He did this out of love.This is what I call the greatest love.I hope I've answered your question.

Yes, thank you. It clarifies and answers my question. I really wanted to know where you were coming from in relation to salvation. I think you explained it fully. Much appreciated.

[Recusant]

Your whole argument just reeks of haggis.

I understand the reference here (no true Scotsman...  haggis) but think it unnecessarily demeans and besmirches the noble dish of Scotland.

 

Fair fa' your honest, sonsie face,
Great chieftain o' the puddin-race!

I would say rather, that like pretty much all of Psalm23's arguments presented here at HAF, it's simply offal (see definition 2.)
The fact that he does not even attempt to answer many of the replies and counter-arguments would seem to show that he knows this.
 
 

[Psalm23]

So, out of sheer curiosity.. I would like to know which denomination of the Christianity the KKK come from?

Looks like you missed my reply.

Claiming to be Christian is a simple as saying, "I believe that Christ was our lord." As to the extent of how closely they follow Christ's teachings, that's another matter. They're obviously just very bad Christians. Just like Paris Hilton is a bad actress, she's still an actress... because she acts. Technically.

Your whole argument just reeks of haggis.

So what you're saying is.. I can walk into a wal-mart and kill 40 people, but as long as I say "I'm a Christian," that actually means I am following the Christian way? And that is "do not judge others" and "do not kill".

i hardly believe any sect of the Klan are followers of Jesus Christ.

The KKK are using Jesus' name in a derogatory manner, and they cannot justify their actions.

The KKK shall face GOD one day.