God allows evil so he looks better... WTF?

[Godschild]

Ihateyoumike: how would you know you are not a christian.I've seen evolutionist disagree with each other does that mean that one of them is not an evolutionist,I do not think so.What about all the atheist and agnostics that are disagreeing with each other on this very website which ones will you deem to be nonatheist and nonagnostics?

 Love to all in Christ Jesus

[Godschild]

Sophus: You like Voltire don't you how is it you can rely on what he says,christians and their beliefs are still here and we are not going away until Jesus returns and takes us home and in all honesty I hope you and all that are on this website will be also,not saying this to make you mad it's truely how I feel.

  Love to all in Christ Jesus

[curiosityandthecat]

Sophus: You like Voltire don't you how is it you can rely on what he says,christians and their beliefs are still here and we are not going away until Jesus returns and takes us home and in all honesty I hope you and all that are on this website will be also,not saying this to make you mad it's truely how I feel.

  Love to all in Christ Jesus

This is what you're doing to logic and the English language:

[Prometheus]

To me this whole arguement is very simple. They have to have some sort of answer to this obvious fallacy of their belief system "God is omnipotent,omnibenevolent, and omniscient yet we are surrounded by corruption, pain, and suffering.". The statement is irrational correct? So christians employ "Mental gymnastics" to avoid the obvious rational conclusion that their god cannot be all of those things at once(If such an entity existed, he/she would surely build for us some sort of utopia and let us live in guiltfree bliss. Not expect us to live a life of suffering and penance for "sins" we really can't avoid committing(Thats not just me talking. Christian doctrine will tell you that no one is completely sinless.).).

[VanReal]

Ihateyoumike: how would you know you are not a christian.I've seen evolutionist disagree with each other does that mean that one of them is not an evolutionist,I do not think so.What about all the atheist and agnostics that are disagreeing with each other on this very website which ones will you deem to be nonatheist and nonagnostics?

 Love to all in Christ Jesus

Um, he knows because christians are always saying other christian aren't christians just like you did here http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3102&view=unread#p40038

[Sophus]

Sophus: You like Voltire don't you how is it you can rely on what he says,christians and their beliefs are still here and we are not going away until Jesus returns and takes us home and in all honesty I hope you and all that are on this website will be also,not saying this to make you mad it's truely how I feel.

Love to all in Christ Jesus

Umm... what? The Voltaire quote was in no way related to the No True Scotsman thing.

[Man-ofGod]

Someone on Facebook posted the story about the student who makes his professor look like an idiot.  One of the comments is this:

"Also, God allows evil to occur so that His goodness, mercy, and grace seem all that much more sweeter when we turn to Him for help and forgiveness. Moreover, evil occurs only because we are a fallen creation. If we did follow the rules, we wouldn't have so many problems with evil, would we?"

I have no words... maybe you do?  

Unfortunately, that person is mislead.

[karadan]

Right, the religious nutter version of "without the bitter, baby, the sweet just ain't as sweet." (And is likely a re-worded version of this.

Anyone with a penchant for logic wanna tackle this one? The stupid makes my head hurt.

Surely all your hair has been burnt completely away by now?  

[curiosityandthecat]

Surely all your hair has been burnt completely away by now?  

I'm barely recognizable.

[karadan]

It's jaw-dropping what people are willing to believe, and I have a hard time believing it doesn't make them feel the dissonance, as well.  The problem of evil can be examined in an intellectual manner, but point-blank statement of how petty a god you believe in do not serve to reinforce your position (not to me, anyway).  Why is there evil?  Because God wants us to know we're wrong.  Question?  Non-answer!  

The crazy thing is that I've known some very intelligent people who actually buy into this garbage. That's what I can't figure out.

I wonder how much they really buy into it though. I wonder how much of it is simply a conditioned response which they don't even have to think about before saying.

If there was a hypothetical situation which based their life upon it. A choice. One way = life, but a confirmation they don't really believe what they are saying, or death and the confirmation they believed it so strongly they were willing to risk death to prove it.

I'm trying to think of a hypothesis where this could be done. It would certainly weed out the really insane lot from the nominally deluded.

[karadan]

Surely all your hair has been burnt completely away by now?  

I'm barely recognizable.

Haha. Nice and crispy.

[rlrose328]

Someone on Facebook posted the story about the student who makes his professor look like an idiot.  One of the comments is this:

"Also, God allows evil to occur so that His goodness, mercy, and grace seem all that much more sweeter when we turn to Him for help and forgiveness. Moreover, evil occurs only because we are a fallen creation. If we did follow the rules, we wouldn't have so many problems with evil, would we?"

I have no words... maybe you do?  

Unfortunately, that person is mislead.

Then the dozens of responses praising THAT response... they're all mislead as well?  Not "true Christians"?  Maybe they would say the same to you.  When does it stop?  Who determines who is right... who is the true Christian?  When you die and get to the pearly gates, it's a little to late.

[Recusant]

God doesn't just allow evil.  According to "sacred scripture" he creates evil.

 

King James bible, Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

(Emphasis added)

[Psalm23]

Evil only exists without the presence of God.

Q: Does cold exist? A: No! Cold is the absense of heat!

Q: Does darkness exist? A: No! Darkness is the absense of light!
When we measure a dark room.. We are measuring how much light is present in that room.
Darkness cannot be measured.

The existence of God, or evil cannot be measured by mankind's miniscule brain power..

[BadPoison]

Evil only exists without the presence of God.

Q: Does cold exist? A: No! Cold is the absense of heat!

Q: Does darkness exist? A: No! Darkness is the absense of light!
When we measure a dark room.. We are measuring how much light is present in that room.
Darkness cannot be measured.

The existence of God, or evil cannot be measured by mankind's miniscule brain power..

Are you being serious? The problem of evil simply can not be dismissed with so easily! If "evil" were simply the absence of god's presence then you have to limit your god. "God is omnipotent" and "Evil is the absence of God" just don't work together!

If you believe both of these things about your God, then your God obviously doesn't exist.

God can either be:
a) An all-powerful entity that doesn't give a flying fuck about good and evil in the humanly sense,
or
b) The embodiment of everything good, powerless to stop evil in a "fallen" world.

Surely there's some other options available - but none of those would include an all-powerful and omni benevolent god (at least how we mortals would define one)