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Proof of God vs. Odin?

Started by Asmodean, January 11, 2009, 09:12:28 AM

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Asmodean

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Quote from: "Messenger"1-X=X   X<> Not(X)


Can some one explain this to me?

negative x is equal to x, implying that x is zero?

x is less than, greather than? what?

Not(x)? is Not a function? Is there some kind of notation I am missing here?

I tried to decypher it above:

Quote from: "Asmodean"X=X X<> Not(X) This is either mathematical nonsense, stating that if something equals itself then it is either less or greater than something else (x=apple(s), y=elefant dung, is then x<y?), or it can be something else in which case I doubt that expression makes any more sense.
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brekfustuvluzerz

Quote from: "SSY"
Quote from: "Messenger"1-X=X   X<> Not(X)


Can some one explain this to me?

negative x is equal to x, implying that x is zero?

x is less than, greather than? what?

Not(x)? is Not a function? Is there some kind of notation I am missing here?
i dont think this is supposed to be algebra, but some sort of pathetic attempt at logic symbolism. but then "not x" wouldnt be -x, it would be tilde x (i dont know how to make a tilde), the equals sign should have three lines (which cant be made on a computer) and means "if and only if", and the > means "if, then", the < has no meaning and the () usually means "in the case of" so this statement would read: "the opposite of x is true if and only if x, if x then not in the case of x." or to put it plainly "an asshole only produces shit."

messenger, if you are going to put variables in your "equation" then you must tell us what they stand for. this is pathetic.
"(insert favorite carl sagan quote here)" - Carl Sagan

SSY

here is atilde, he lives next to your return key

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If you still have any problems with it, come here and quote this one any time you need it :)

Also, thanks for your help with the crypto logic there, though i fear i still don't really get the argument.
Quote from: "Godschild"SSY: You are fairly smart and to think I thought you were a few fries short of a happy meal.
Quote from: "Godschild"explain to them how and why you decided to be athiest and take the consequences that come along with it
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curiosityandthecat

Quote from: "SSY"here is atilde, he lives next to your return key

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If you still have any problems with it, come here and quote this one any time you need it ;)
-Curio

Kevin

Quote from: "Sophus"Oh, me! Pick me! I can prove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The thing is Messenger you can't prove any god. Nor can you technically disprove anything with complete certainty.

Proof of the FSM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqg

And yes, I do agree that you can't prove any god, also... For me though, the thing is that not being able to prove any god is enough for me not to believe.
The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. - Delos B. McKown

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha

SSY

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
Quote from: "SSY"here is atilde, he lives next to your return key

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If you still have any problems with it, come here and quote this one any time you need it ;)

Im guessing an english keyboard will be the cause, do you have an @ above your 2, or is it some " ?
Quote from: "Godschild"SSY: You are fairly smart and to think I thought you were a few fries short of a happy meal.
Quote from: "Godschild"explain to them how and why you decided to be athiest and take the consequences that come along with it
Quote from: "Aedus"Unlike atheists, I'm not an angry prick

curiosityandthecat

Quote from: "SSY"Im guessing an english keyboard will be the cause, do you have an @ above your 2, or is it some " ?

Actually, when you hold Shift and press 2 it types out all the lyrics to "Common People" by Pulp. Weird, right? :)
-Curio

brekfustuvluzerz

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SSY

Quote from: "Godschild"SSY: You are fairly smart and to think I thought you were a few fries short of a happy meal.
Quote from: "Godschild"explain to them how and why you decided to be athiest and take the consequences that come along with it
Quote from: "Aedus"Unlike atheists, I'm not an angry prick

Messenger

Quote from: "brekfustuvluzerz"Not(x)? is Not a function? Is there some kind of notation I am missing here?
i dont think this is supposed to be algebra, but some sort of pathetic attempt at logic symbolism. but then "not x" wouldnt be -x, it would be tilde x (i dont know how to make a tilde), the equals sign should have three lines (which cant be made on a computer) and means "if and only if", and the > means "if, then", the < has no meaning and the () usually means "in the case of" so this statement would read: "the opposite of x is true if and only if x, if x then not in the case of x." or to put it plainly "an asshole only produces shit."

messenger, if you are going to put variables in your "equation" then you must tell us what they stand for. this is pathetic.[/quote]
As it is kind of difficult to write all those symbols in correct mathmatical forms
X means any attribute of anything
X=X   means things are consistent or are as it is in real, for example a red ball is a red ball
X<>not X means X does not equal its opposite, a red ball is not blue

This is very trivial, but I need it here, because you are going to deny that to refute God  :P

Kyuuketsuki

Quote from: "Messenger"This is very trivial, but I need it here, because you are going to deny that to refute God  :P

Even if you end up with a calculation that somehow (mysteriously) proves your god you still lack the one thing you need, validatable evidence! You have none and my money is on the fact that you never will have.

Kyu
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bowmore

Quote from: "Messenger"As it is kind of difficult to write all those symbols in correct mathmatical forms

Well you can just use words instead of the alternative symbols that apparently only you seem to understand.
Or at least define your symbols before using them.
"Rational arguments don’t usually work on religious people. Otherwise there would be no religious people."

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curiosityandthecat

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I've got bunches. Take one of mine.
-Curio

NearBr0ken

I posed this same scenario to a theist recently.  I asked him why he believed that Jesus was God rather than Odin.  He replied "because one is right and one is wrong."  His basis for his belief system turned out to be his own belief system.  He simply refused to understand the concept of circular logic.  It's like they're memetically immune to anything outside of their religion.

Messenger

Quote from: "NearBr0ken"I posed this same scenario to a theist recently.  I asked him why he believed that Jesus was God rather than Odin.  He replied "because one is right and one is wrong."  His basis for his belief system turned out to be his own belief system.  He simply refused to understand the concept of circular logic.  It's like they're memetically immune to anything outside of their religion.
Yes, this will be circular logic
But the only god can be proved!