Humanized mice

[Old Seer]

Not being a apt biologist the questions arise. Perhaps someone here can say. What if humanizing other species  causes them to become as intelligent as people/us? If it is possible, would they be considered human? What would be the consequences if that happened, such as- a gorilla or bear NFL linebacker if they can reason as well as we?

[Dark Lightning]

We already have gorillas playing football. 

[xSilverPhinx]

First we would have to learn a lot more about the nature of intelligence and what makes most of us an intelligent species.  There's a really complex interaction of genes involved in giving us our brain power, in addition to favourable anatomical features and a favourable selection pressures.

For instance, dolphins are really intelligent. Their brains are larger and weigh more than ours (though ours are larger in proportion to our body mass). However, they don't have hands and fingers so are unable to manipulate or craft sophisticated tools. What could have happened in dolphin evolution if they did?

Chimpanzees share about 98% of their genes with us, but don't have the anatomical and brain features associated with language acquisition and production. What would happen to the chimps if they had that capacity? Would they have a human-like culture and be able to pass on sophisticated knowledge like we can?

[Old Seer]

My point has been missed.    I came across a youtube video that is about humanizing mice. That brought me to thoughts I had about this some time ago. I didn't watch the video but I understand what they're getting at. Human genes or cell materials are injected into mice to add attributes of one to the other.
I don't know if there's such a thing as a smart gene. IOW is it a specific gene that makes us more intelligent then other species, or is intelligence cased by some other factors. If that gene is implanted in a chimp (by whatever process this is done) and the chimp becomes as intelligent as we, is the chimp human.
That means a chimp could go through K-12 and on to college the same as we, and learn anything the same as we. The Chimp then could also be regulated by civil law, use money, go shopping, have it's own apartment, clothe itself, drive a vehicle, obey tragic lights, etc, and would not be just a matter of repetitious training.
If a smart gene implant is possible a Chimp would understand civil rights, and what an animal cage is. So far the implants have been done to add or change physical attributes. A smart gene (if it exists) may very well make psychological mental ability changes.

[Old Seer]

First we would have to learn a lot more about the nature of intelligence and what makes most of us an intelligent species.  There's a really complex interaction of genes involved in giving us our brain power, in addition to favourable anatomical features and a favourable selection pressures.

For instance, dolphins are really intelligent. Their brains are larger and weigh more than ours (though ours are larger in proportion to our body mass). However, they don't have hands and fingers so are unable to manipulate or craft sophisticated tools. What could have happened in dolphin evolution if they did?

Chimpanzees share about 98% of their genes with us, but don't have the anatomical and brain features associated with language acquisition and production. What would happen to the chimps if they had that capacity? Would they have a human-like culture and be able to pass on sophisticated knowledge like we can?

I  agree, but would they be considered human, and would they have human rights as we. What if they can claim human rights. 

[billy rubin]

what, exactly, is "humanizing?"

[Old Seer]

It's injecting human DNA in another species. Something like taking DNA from a fire fly and injecting it into a cat genome (I think). The cat glows in the dark. They've already done so.

[Old Seer]

We may be in trouble here. If the cow, not the bull, becomes intelligent how are you going to get it to the slaughter house without a fight. Did you ever try to fight a bull, I did plenty of times as it was growing up. At about 200 lbs I loose.
On the military side, elephants will be able to load and fire 155MM howitzers.

https://youtu.be/6RHTeok5EGY

[No one]

I deal with humanized sheep everyday, why should this be any different?

[Icarus]

XSP said; First we would have to learn a lot more about the nature of intelligence and what makes most of us an intelligent species.  There's a really complex interaction of genes involved in giving us our brain power, in addition to favourable anatomical features and a favourable selection pressures.

In point of fact, some of we humans are not so intelligent. Some of us as dumb as a a basket of rocks. Sad but true methinks.

[No one]

Why would you insult a poor, innocent basket of rocks like that?

[billy rubin]

we already have experience with humanized animals. we called them black people.

until very recently they gave all the appearances of intelligent life but were considered just another farm animal.

humanizing black people is on ongoing process.

[Magdalena]

we already have experience with humanized animals. we called them black people.

until very recently they gave all the appearances of intelligent life but were considered just another farm animal.

humanizing black people is on ongoing process.

This is fucked up.

[billy rubin]

yes.

i live in appalachia in the north and black people have to be careful up here just like they do in georgia.

once i was in alabama in a convenience store. there were three white guys talking in front of the counter and an older black man waiting for them to step away so he could pay for his sandwich. they ignored him like he wasnt there.. i walked up to get in line too. when he saw me he carefully took his sandwich and stepped out of line and walked down the counter.

the white guys noticed me and stepped to the side. when they did i turned to the black man and said

youre up, bud

he froze. there were too many white people and he didnt know what to do

luckily a younger black man was there and he said

come on dad. lets pay for the zandwich.

so they did and got out of there.

i didnt do the black man any favors by treating him like a human that day.

hard to figure out the right thing sometimes

[No one]

The right thing to do is to not give a single flying fuck about something so ridiculously insignificant as the color of someone's meat suit. But, what do I know?