Sex (Yet another split topic)

[MommaSquid]

...Christ explicitly stated that if you committ adultery in your heart with a woman it's as if you did it in the flesh.  

I would rather my husband lust after another woman and maybe indulge in a little fantasy than actually have sex with her in the flesh.  The unforgivable aspect would be the flesh and not the fantasy.

How are the lusting and the act equal?  (Hint:  the answer is not "because it says so in the bible".)

According to scripture this why we discipline the mind so that we master our thoughts and not the other way around.

This sounds like the Hindu practice of mind/body control.  And Hinduism is older than Christianity.

Hinduism

[Asmodean Prime]

Bigmac, is the picture you display, your avatar, a picture of yourself?

If not, why not?

And why are there no pictures in your gallery?

Dude, that is Johnny Cash. You should go shooot yourself for not knowing this. CASH IS GOD! Nothing like lighting up a joint and listening to a Boy Named Sue or Ring of Fire or Hurt and just laughing at the teletubbies. And I don't like people seeing my face, that way when the Fed's start asking questions you have no idea what I look like.

Ok, forgive my stupidity,  Johnny Cash is great.  Boy named Sue is geat.  How come I didn't recognise that? As I said before, I'm not the sharpest tool in the box.  Ha ha.

Hey, ......

why are there no pictures in your gallery?

[Big Mac]

And I don't like people seeing my face, that way when the Fed's start asking questions you have no idea what I look like.

That should explain it.

[MommaSquid]

And I don't like people seeing my face, that way when the Fed's start asking questions you have no idea what I look like.

Sound reasoning.  




We need to start a separate forum called Miscellaneous Questions, so that when people have these questions they don't interrupt a serious topic of conversation to ask them.   (You know who you are.)

Laetus, what do you think?

[Asmodean Prime]

And I don't like people seeing my face, that way when the Fed's start asking questions you have no idea what I look like.

Sound reasoning.  




We need to start a separate forum called Miscellaneous Questions, so that when people have these questions they don't interrupt a serious topic of conversation to ask them.   (You know who you are.)

Laetus, what do you think?

If I wasn't so paranoid, I would think you are referring to me, there, mommasquid.

[Whitney]

She was....

It would be more tidy if off topic questions were either in a special thread (the person's intro thread would work)...or...through a private message.

[iplaw]

I would rather my husband lust after another woman and maybe indulge in a little fantasy than actually have sex with her in the flesh. The unforgivable aspect would be the flesh and not the fantasy.

And what I am telling you is that without the fantasy first the act itself will never take place.  They are not mutally exclusive events.  

This sounds like the Hindu practice of mind/body control. And Hinduism is older than Christianity.

I love how atheists point to things like this and assume the teaching was borrowed as opposed to seeing the transcendency of an objective moral ethic.  

How are the lusting and the act equal?

Serenity now...serenity now...

Okay that's better, WHERE did I make that argument? NOWHERE!!!

Tell me where this statement is flawed:

Ideas precede actions  

No one cheats on their spouse without formulating the idea in their mind first.

[Court]

Come on, we are all wont to defend what we see as 'our territory'!

I'm so offended by this remark, I'm speechless. I keep telling myself you're joking, but then I see you wrote this above it:

would you not find it offensive if someone was 'looking at' your 'woman'

in all sincerity. "Your" woman...Nice to know.

[iplaw]

I was getting ready to warn him about that comment and your impending reaction when I read it.  I just let him step in it though.

[Court]

Tell me where this statement is flawed:

Ideas precede actions  

No one cheats on their spouse without formulating the idea in their mind first.

I don't know about that. I'm sure plenty of people have had sex, cheated, etc. without really thinking it through first. Sometimes, things just happen, especially when it comes to sex.

Ideas precede actions, but not all ideas lead to actions. In fact, most ideas (even "immoral" ones) don't lead to action. So, if you trust yourself enough not to physically act out your fantasies (or, if you know you wouldn't actually want to physically act our your fantasies, like cheating on a spouse/partner), what's wrong with them?

[Court]

I was getting ready to warn him about that comment and your impending reaction when I read it.  I just let him step in it though.

Sweet. I knew I liked you.

[iplaw]

I'm sure plenty of people have had sex, cheated, etc. without really thinking it through first.

Thinking it through was not my assertion, as in think about consequences and outcomes.  You never cheat without thinking or "wanting" to do the act first.  No one has sex without having the thought "I want sex" first, we aren't robots.

Ideas precede actions, but not all ideas lead to actions.

The statement I made is not an ad hoc argument.  I don't care about actions which don't lead to results.  I care about the fact that results happen only after deliberate thought.  To analogize, the act is a chicken, the egg an idea, but the mind is the incubator that allows the egg to turn into a chicken.  The eggs won't ever turn into chickens if not incubated.  

In fact, most ideas (even "immoral" ones) don't lead to action.

There is no way to quantify the veracity of this statement but my statement that ideas precede actions is undeniable, it happens 100% of the time.

So, if you trust yourself enough not to physically act out your fantasies (or, if you know you wouldn't actually want to physically act our your fantasies, like cheating on a spouse/partner), what's wrong with them?

I bet the majority of people who cheat thought they had it under control before it happend too.  

It comes down to whether you are willing to play games with your thoughts instead of controlling your mind.  Yeah, you may get away with having fantasies without cheating every time, granted, but there is the real possibility that you may finally act on that fantasy tiring of the lack of the physical experience.

[Asmodean Prime]

When I said 'your woman' I'm merely trying to reflect society in general, to cater for both parties, both men and women.  As I said before, in my experience from talking to women, they DO like a strong man who is able to protect and defend them.  Maybe this doesn't apply to the 'modern' woman, I don't know.


Women.  Strange creatures.  Just when we think we are on the brink of trying to understand them, they move the goalposts.  

I don't claim to speak on behalf of women.   In contrast, I welcome input from women, who can enlighten me as to what women really do expect from men in this day and age.

[iplaw]

How many women here like the thought of their husbands or boyfriends thinking of other women when the have sex?

[Court]

How many women here like the thought of their husbands or boyfriends thinking of other women when the have sex?

Hey, if I don't know about it, it can't hurt me. Besides, that simply means I am obviously not working hard enough. If he can think about someone else while in bed with me, then shit. I need to fix something.