Arguement I had

[Freethinker]

*Sigh*

I just had a long arguement with my stepsister about Atheism. Due to her being Christian and semi-Catholic, and me being an atheist, our personalities collided. We were having an argument about NASA faking the moon landing (I think they did-anyone else have an opinion?) and it somehow got turned to her blurting out "You're going to hell!"

"Why?"

"Because you don't believe in God."

"Oh, so because I don't believe in some big invisible being in the sky who I'm supposed to bow and worship to, I'm going to burn forever because of my beliefs?"

"Yes. You aren't a Christian, so you're going to Hell."

"If God wanted me to believe in him, he wouldn't have created my mind so I didn't believe in him. He wouldn't have given me free will."

"*Sigh* Caz! He doesn't create the human mind!"

"If God wanted everyone to believe in him, he wouldn't have fixed humans so other religions existed and that some people were atheists and agnostics. He would have everyone in the world be a Christian."

*Silence for a while*

"Taylor, are you going to laugh at me while I'm burning in Hell and you're in heavan?"

"Yes."

"And that's OK to do in heavan? Laugh at people in Hell?"

"The ones you gave fair warning to. You warned them again and again while on Earth, but they wouldn't listen. I don't want you teaching Alex (our little sister) that there isn't a God."

"Fine, Taylor, but I respect your religious beliefs, you should respect mine!"

(End of conversation)

Anyone else get in fierce arguements with religious people? Is it hard to cope with people who hate us?

[tacoma_kyle]

No, I dont think NASA faked the landing. That kinda stuff just cant have a secret kept. Just like 9/11. Are the Fed's so powerful they can keep their mounts shut? Fuck no. A few years back a CIA agents identiy was revealed, someone let it slip to a reporter I recall. I dont know, but probably for cash or a obvious quid-pro-quo. Now that is JUST a CIA agent. Imagine the cash involved in proving NASA faked a landing or 9/11.

Just please dont jump on the conspiracy band-wagon. So much bullshit...




But no really. I have a few times with family members, only cause people are generally more vocal with their direct families. It has been a while, like over a year. Now no one will argue with me, not sayin I really try, but yeah. It's kinda funny.

[LSchune]

*Sigh*

I just had a long arguement with my stepsister about Atheism. Due to her being Christian and semi-Catholic, and me being an atheist, our personalities collided. We were having an argument about NASA faking the moon landing (I think they did-anyone else have an opinion?) and it somehow got turned to her blurting out "You're going to hell!"

See, after many years of this, I now just cut them off before they really get a rollin'  :badgrin:

I answer with "...and?" for everything they say, most of time smiling like the bitchy jackass that I am.  This usually frustrates them in 5-10 minutes, and they scurry away to consult the bible about what to do next.

[Will]

I've never seen any direct evidence to suggest that the moon landing was faked.

Here's how I likely would have dealt with it:

Taylor: "You're going to hell."
Me: "No, but you're going to rot in the ground. Just like every other Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu and even atheist. But that doesn't have anything to do with the moon landing, does it?"

[ShimShamSam]

Well I can't think of any specific examples of arguements used against me, but read my thread called Hit With A Christian Blitzkrieg under the Religious section. But I'm certainly a big fan of counter arguments to use against them.

My new favorite question is if people pray to god to heal their cancer or some dying sickness and he does, why won't god heal amputees? This is a famous question and not my own. People pray to heal their illnesses, sometimes they get better, sometimes they don't, but none of the time is an amputee healed, prayer or not. I guess god has decided to ignore them completely...for thousands of years.

[tacoma_kyle]

And usually when they get better is because of a medical operation. Which, obviously, most go pretty well.

With exception to a lot of caner cases...even then though.


BTW a little bit I picked up a work dinner recently. If you know anyone getting Chemotherapy. DONT let them miss a session. Even if it is one outta 5. Recovery rate dramatically drops. A Dr. from OSU I recall gave a nice presentation.

I was mostly confused . But paid attention.

[Freethinker]

I always feel bad when some Christian person blesses me. My great-aunt recently died of cancer, and when I visited her in the hospital, she was all like "Bless you, Cazzy, bless your little sister, I'll be all right in heavan" and I felt so awkward. Especially at the Christian funeral.

[ShimShamSam]

Yes FreeThinker, that will be a reoccurring dilemma in your life. Do you stay out of that religious experience or ritual, or do you sacrifice your views and partake to avoid alienating those around you? Plus if they ask why you didn't pray or what ever it may be, then you have to explain your an atheist.

This was a big problem for me about a month ago at my grandfathers funeral, it was at a Ukrainian Eastern Orthodox church, weirder customs than Catholics. There was reciting of the lords prayer like every 5 minutes, all that making the cross my touching your forehead, chest, and shoulders, saying hail mary's, even that thing where they put bread in your mouth, but int his case they do it with mushed up soggy bread instead of a cracker. I was one of the guys carrying the casket. But I stuck to my guns.

[Lindsey_Mcfarren]

I do my best to avoid people altogether who are likely to say something like this but on the rare occasion someone does, I chuckle and tell them I will have alot more FUN in hell with Satan then they will be having in Heaven.  Sometimes I go on to say that Satan and I are best friends etc.  Of course I don't believe in Heaven, Hell or Satan or Santa Jesus but it always freaks them out AND hopefully frightens their little minds enough to avoid me for fear of Satan rubbing off on them.

I LOVE to push christians buttons.

[Valerie]

It seems to me that people who are fanatic christians have emotional issues even before they become fanatics.  I have a friend who quotes scripture constantly (doesn't know, but prob. suspects that I don't believe) and tells me how God healed her heart, but is always talking about how her demented late mother and sisters were so mean to her.  This indicates to me that she is NOT healed, but still very disturbed.  My childhood was terrible, but that was my CHILDHOOD and I'm an adult now.  If it were really possible to hand over your problems to God or Jesus then wouldn't christians be the most loving, careless people on earth? I don't see this....