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Batman US cinema shooting: 12 dead in Colorado

Started by Tank, July 20, 2012, 02:48:51 PM

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Batman US cinema shooting: 12 dead in Colorado

QuoteAt least 12 people have been killed and 38 injured in a shooting at a cinema showing the new Batman film near the US city of Denver, Colorado.

Witnesses said a man wearing a gas mask opened fire after tossing a tear gas canister at a midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises.

A 24-year-old man was arrested in a car park nearby in possession of a rifle, handgun and knife.

One other gun was recovered from the theatre, which is in Aurora.

Police have revised down the death toll from 14. They said about 50 people had been shot, including the deceased.

FBI sources named the gunman as Aurora resident James Holmes. They said no terrorism link had been established.

What week does my son visit Denver?

Yep you guessed it!

But he's fine.
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Ali

The rumor is that the way he got in is that he banged on the emergency exit and someone (presumably thinking he was just someone wanting to sneak in and watch the movie for free) opened the door and let him in.  Husband (who grew up in Aurora) says that this is standard procedure.  Aurora is an interesting area.  My first apartment was in Aurora.  The same week that I moved in, they found a dead body in the parking lot. 

The Magic Pudding

#3
Quote from: Crow on July 20, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
Fucking eejit!

Don't you discriminate!
Fucking eejits got a right to fast firing guns weapons too.

Edit: I hope he didn't see that, but he sees everything, damn praise the robotic eye.

Buddy

Here is a good timeline of events that I got from Reddit:

Posting this here so more people will see it. Damn /r/worldnews rules. Selfpost here, will be updated
Denver resident here. Reddit, I'm doing my best to update this. Watch the live stream.
ABSTRACT
Shooting at the AMC Century Cinema: map, local police scanner. Bomb was may have been confirmed. It certainly sounded like it. Apparently a bomb may have blown up a part of a theater at the Dark Knight Rises premiere. Although the news isn't corroborating this right now, it definitely sounded like it on the scanner. Actually, it was probably the tear gas canisters.
Theater 9 (epicenter), Theater 8 (some hit), Theater 16 (people heard tear gas canisters)
ALL TIMES IN MDT, AM
1:27: "Bring as much crime scene tape as you can"
1:28: Aurora PD merging communications with Denver PD
1:35: Shooter wearing green camp pants
1:37: bomb squad is there, bringing in K-9 units. possible other bombs
1:40: 18 ambulances on scene
1:41: 9news story posted.
1:42: "All ten people in the theater are black." In this context, it means fatalities.
1:43: Report of a bomb going off in a theater.
1:45: Patients being transported to Denver Health
1:47: Command staff briefing. This is huge.
1:49: Car, Tennesee plates, Hyundai, license [redacted]. third to west, in front of doors. Possible bomb. Main entrances of mall covered. Bomb squad moving in.
1:53: Canine units coordinating at SE entrance between JC Penney's and the food court. May be a bomb in there. Theory that bombs may be in front of theater.
1:55: New evidence for shooters. That's plural. Theater 8, the shooter was seated. One more was outside, went into Theater 9. Coordinated attack. Two shooters. Open door discovered at mall. Suspicion of bomb in there.
1:56: One shooter at large, one in custody. From Facebook: Someone set off some little party poppers in our theatre, next thing I know someone runs in and said there was a shooting. We huddled down into the seats because people were outside the exit. I was fortunate enough to get home safely with my sister but a few friends are still stuck there.
1:57: Due to bombs, police relocating all units to S of Dillard's. Open door was in Macy's. Suspicions of bombs there.
2:01: Submitted to Reddit. Second device possibly found, setting up a "unified command"
2:06: On /r/denver.
Comment from ThePenguinist: My best friend was at this. She said it happened about 30-40 minutes into the midnight premiere. Someone burst through the door and started shooting tear gas and then a gun. The only reason they got out was because they hit the ground and went for the door on their bellies. OMFG.
2:04: MSNBC tweets the story.
2:06: Secondary explosive device found in front of theater
2:08: Bringing K-9 unit to the command post.
2:14: Indian male found as witness. People (witnesses) moving to the food court entrance
2:18: Witnesses being transported to Gateway High School. There are 100 witnesses.
2:26: Story on MSNBC here
At least 20 people were hurt following a shooting at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., police said Friday. The incident occurred at a cinema showing the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises," a police official told NBC News. One suspect was in custody, police said. It was unclear whether other suspects were involved. The injured were being transported to three local hospitals. A bomb squad was on site at the Century 16 movie theater, police added.
2:28: Theatre 9 going to Gateway HS. Everyone else is triaged. No vehicles allowed to leave. Witnesses being photographs.
2:30: Water jugs being moved.
2:36: Called the Denver Batman massacre by the Belfas Telegraph
2:42: "Possible older cop car-type seen fleeing the scene"
2:45: Which ambulances going where: 5 to Denver, 14 to University, 4 to Children's, 3 to Aurora South, 2 to Parker, 2 to Swedish
2:47: From 9News: 15 mins into movie, popping heard. People thought it was part of the movie. Saw material coming through the wall. Chaotic. Caused a scramble. Several injured people escorted into ambulances. Flow of ambulances slowed down, flow of police has not. SWAT teams there. Theater 9: Guy in body armor. "One of the largest scenes I've seen in my journalistic career."
2:52: Several police cars surrounding a vehicle. Possible explosive devices inside.
2:54: Tuned in to the 9News stream.
2:58: Newscast from Gateway HS. Witness is talking. People heard explosions and gunfire. No idea what happened. One shooter had a gas mask and was throwing tear gas.
2:59: Scanners report knife pulled on someone. WAY far away from theater. May be unrelated.
3:01: Someone reporting hand pain outside the theater.
3:02: Confirmed: At least 10 killed, 39 injured. Theaters 8 and 9 were sold out, and that's where the shooting took place. 9News confirms that one person is in custody.
3:02: Nothing found inside the mall so far. Dogs coming out.
3:06: Witness interview from earlier being replayed. Witness in Theater 9 was young woman. She described a man about 6' tall kicked through the door in a riot helmet and bulletproof vest. He was completely covered in all black, with goggles. After that, she and her boyfriend dropped to the floor. They got up, ran through the emergency exit. Shooter made his way up the stairs and started shooting people with the shotgun.
3:10: News is stalling until the police chief address.
3:15: Press conference: Gas released, gunman opened fire. Only know of one gunman. Police officers respond, find the gunman outside of the theater, carrying gas mask, rifle, handgun. One additional weapon found inside. 50 were hit. 14 confirmed dead.
3:15: Comment from elcoolerick: I live in Aurora, CO, Thought I'd share. "We were 20 min into the movie when the fire alarms started going off. We thought it was a prank. Then emergency intercom came on say there was a situation and we need to evacuate immediately. Next thing we know there was a police officer was outside the emergency exit with a shotgun yelling at us to run as far away from the theater as possible. We run out. There were people covered with blood every where with what looked like bullet wounds. Kids were crying . It was a terrible scene. Talked to some people, they are saying a man came into one of the theaters threw an explosive device and started shooting." -from a guy that was there.
More info from friends. "I was in the theatre, 9 people are dead shooting started inside the theatre and went to the back of the theatre. 3 people got show few rows infront of me and cops are up there with the SWAT with automatics and everything.It was scary. The first shots that were fired everyone stayed calm because they thought it was stupid kids with bottle caps. 2nd wave was fired the niggas ran out the theatre and thats when hell broke loose. Everyone was vulnerabe even as they left through the emergency exits" -KC Cannady
second part doesn't sound intelligent, but posted for historical reasons
3:30: AR-15 was the gun potentially used. One shooter or two? Many questions and very few answers other than a new death toll after the press conference. Keep your thoughts with the victims and their families.
3:42: More testimonies. Babies and small girls shot. News anchors getting emotional. Reports that the suspect had explosives in his apartment, which is also being searched.
3:48: Another /r/denver post from WaterSnake: here
3:49: More confirmation. 14 dead. 50 injured.
3:58: damian001 finds a video of the shooters aftermath. Warning, graphic contents.
4:01: We beat 9News on the video. The video is extremely graphic, and they aren't showing it with audio.
4:04: "No reason to believe there is a second gunman"
4:06: 10 died at the theater, 4 died at the hospital. 50 others had injuries.
4:13: 911 calls and police radio being played. They're talking about the tear gas.
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The Black Jester

I've been just sick over this all morning.  What a horrible, horrible thing.
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Ali

This makes me so angry I am seriously a little shaky.

QuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

You can read the rest of the story at the link.

Yes, let's please make a tragedy where 12 innocent people lost their lives all about you and your stupid fucking religion and your fucking persecution fantasies even though like 80% of the people in the US identify as Christian but somehow somehow you are being persecuted by some ultra-powerful-ultra-secret minority even though an open atheist couldn't even be elected to public office, but yes, somehow you are being persecuted and SOMEFUCKINGHOW these people dying ties into that.

Also, yes, brilliant.  What would have made this situation better is to have a panicky amateur firing into a darkened smoky theater while running people dodge in and out of his line of fire.  FUCKING BRILLIANT.


The Black Jester

Quote from: Ali on July 20, 2012, 05:09:57 PM
This makes me so angry I am seriously a little shaky.

QuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

You can read the rest of the story at the link.

Yes, let's please make a tragedy where 12 innocent people lost their lives all about you and your stupid fucking religion and your fucking persecution fantasies even though like 80% of the people in the US identify as Christian but somehow somehow you are being persecuted by some ultra-powerful-ultra-secret minority even though an open atheist couldn't even be elected to public office, but yes, somehow you are being persecuted and SOMEFUCKINGHOW these people dying ties into that.

Also, yes, brilliant.  What would have made this situation better is to have a panicky amateur firing into a darkened smoky theater while running people dodge in and out of his line of fire.  FUCKING BRILLIANT.


It takes a certain brand of cynically callous opportunism to translate such a horrific occurrence into fodder for one's own political agenda.
The Black Jester

"Religion is institutionalised superstition, science is institutionalised curiosity." - Tank

"Confederation of the dispossessed,
Fearing neither god nor master." - Killing Joke

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Buddy

Quote from: Ali on July 20, 2012, 05:09:57 PM
This makes me so angry I am seriously a little shaky.

QuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

You can read the rest of the story at the link.

Yes, let's please make a tragedy where 12 innocent people lost their lives all about you and your stupid fucking religion and your fucking persecution fantasies even though like 80% of the people in the US identify as Christian but somehow somehow you are being persecuted by some ultra-powerful-ultra-secret minority even though an open atheist couldn't even be elected to public office, but yes, somehow you are being persecuted and SOMEFUCKINGHOW these people dying ties into that.

Also, yes, brilliant.  What would have made this situation better is to have a panicky amateur firing into a darkened smoky theater while running people dodge in and out of his line of fire.  FUCKING BRILLIANT.



What an ass.
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Sweetdeath

My friend was upset at me for not going to the midnight showing of this last night, then reported this to me this morning. Thank goodness, i'm not in Colarado, but man,i feel sick to my stomach and on the verge of tears--- how can someone do this to people???


I just can't even--
Are we really living in such a time where violence is so dull on t.v, that we need to go out and create it in person? I can't imagine what those poor people must of went through. the survivors are scarred for life! Ugh-- i hate guns. i hate them so much...


(I'm sorry, i'm extra emotional lately about death ;___;... and yes, stuff like this really bothers. especially in the 'great' land of the United states.)  :'( :'(

I wish there was something i could say more useful, but this is a horrible tragedy and it just hurts me..
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Ali

Also, WTF????

http://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-colo-theater-shooting-escape-baby-toddler-tow/story?id=16821447

You can read the article yourselves, I'm just going to quote the big WTF moments.

QuoteA young couple who'd recently moved from New Mexico and were attending the Aurora, Colo., midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" with their children....

The children were 4 months and 4 years old, at a midnight showing of an R rated movie.  Moving on.  So Legaretta is the mom, and Rohrs is the dad.  Before the chaos starts, Rohrs (the dad) has the 4 month old.

QuoteLegarreta said she had shrapnel in her leg from the upper thigh to the ankle. From the floor, she said, she could see her 4-month-old baby on the ground near the stairs. Legarreta said she did not know the whereabouts of Rohrs.

"At that point, I reached out and I grabbed him and pulled him in to me," she said. "I didn't even check my leg until we were out in the parking lot

So dad, like, puts the baby on the floor, in a theater where a) there is a crazy guy shooting people, and b) people are panicking and porobably pushing and shoving and trampling to get out. 

Then:

QuoteHe said Legarreta called him from another phone and he drove back to the theater. They were eventually taken to the hospital and released.

If I'm reading that right, not only did he throw his 4 month old on the ground and abandon his girlfriend and two small children to fend for themselves, but then he runs out to the car, and drives away?

Dude.  *shakes head*  Not cool.

Firebird

Quote from: Ali on July 20, 2012, 05:09:57 PM
This makes me so angry I am seriously a little shaky.

QuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

You can read the rest of the story at the link.

Yes, let's please make a tragedy where 12 innocent people lost their lives all about you and your stupid fucking religion and your fucking persecution fantasies even though like 80% of the people in the US identify as Christian but somehow somehow you are being persecuted by some ultra-powerful-ultra-secret minority even though an open atheist couldn't even be elected to public office, but yes, somehow you are being persecuted and SOMEFUCKINGHOW these people dying ties into that.

Also, yes, brilliant.  What would have made this situation better is to have a panicky amateur firing into a darkened smoky theater while running people dodge in and out of his line of fire.  FUCKING BRILLIANT.



I could not have said it better myself. To exploit this tragedy for their fucking political agenda is just sick. This is such a clear example of how screwed up the GOP is.
This whole thing is so upsetting to me. I feel so horrible for the people affected.
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Sweetdeath

Quote from: Ali on July 20, 2012, 08:53:57 PM
Also, WTF????

http://abcnews.go.com/US/couple-colo-theater-shooting-escape-baby-toddler-tow/story?id=16821447

You can read the article yourselves, I'm just going to quote the big WTF moments.

QuoteA young couple who'd recently moved from New Mexico and were attending the Aurora, Colo., midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" with their children....

The children were 4 months and 4 years old, at a midnight showing of an R rated movie.  Moving on.  So Legaretta is the mom, and Rohrs is the dad.  Before the chaos starts, Rohrs (the dad) has the 4 month old.

QuoteLegarreta said she had shrapnel in her leg from the upper thigh to the ankle. From the floor, she said, she could see her 4-month-old baby on the ground near the stairs. Legarreta said she did not know the whereabouts of Rohrs.

"At that point, I reached out and I grabbed him and pulled him in to me," she said. "I didn't even check my leg until we were out in the parking lot

So dad, like, puts the baby on the floor, in a theater where a) there is a crazy guy shooting people, and b) people are panicking and porobably pushing and shoving and trampling to get out. 

Then:

QuoteHe said Legarreta called him from another phone and he drove back to the theater. They were eventually taken to the hospital and released.

If I'm reading that right, not only did he throw his 4 month old on the ground and abandon his girlfriend and two small children to fend for themselves, but then he runs out to the car, and drives away?

Dude.  *shakes head*  Not cool.
O-o what the crap?
My theater I go to doesn't allow anyone under the age of 6 years old into the theater after 6pm.
they call it "no 6 after 6 rule."

Greeeeeat parents.  ::) ::)
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Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Ali

I'm not even that worked up that they took the kids to the movie theater, although I don't think that was an A+ parenting move.  Whtaever, I'm sure they figured the kids would sleep and of course they had no reason think it would be dangerous.  I just can't believe the dude put his baby down and ran out of the theater and left his family there and drove away.  Like yes, I get that I'm sure he was panicking and you never know how you'll react in a crisis and all that....but....I don't know, man.  I just can't fathom it, no matter how messed up the situation.  Last year we heard a bunch of stuff knocking over downstairs and thought someone had broken into our house, and I was crazy scared but I still insisted on going downstairs with Husband because I couldn't let him face the robbers by himself.  Luckily it was just our stupid dog.

markmcdaniel

Quote from: Ali on July 20, 2012, 05:09:57 PM
This makes me so angry I am seriously a little shaky.

QuoteWASHINGTON -- Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said Friday that the shootings that took place in an Aurora, Colo. movie theater hours earlier were a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why nobody else in the theater had a gun to take down the shooter.

You can read the rest of the story at the link.

Yes, let's please make a tragedy where 12 innocent people lost their lives all about you and your stupid fucking religion and your fucking persecution fantasies even though like 80% of the people in the US identify as Christian but somehow somehow you are being persecuted by some ultra-powerful-ultra-secret minority even though an open atheist couldn't even be elected to public office, but yes, somehow you are being persecuted and SOMEFUCKINGHOW these people dying ties into that.

Also, yes, brilliant.  What would have made this situation better is to have a panicky amateur firing into a darkened smoky theater while running people dodge in and out of his line of fire.  FUCKING BRILLIANT.


While I was reading your post the name of Louie Gohmert rang some alarm bells in my head. Some quick research has shown that he has made some other "interesting" statements. He is a co-signatory of the letter that asks the Inspectors-generals of the US to investigate the alleged Muslim comsperacy to to infiltrate the United States Government and he has called for the impeachment of Supreme Court Justice Elana Kagen for her role in Obama Care.  It is apparent that Rep. Gohmart matches Michele Bachmann nuttiness for nuttiness and would give Joseph McCarthy a run in how dangerous a person can be to the Constitution.  
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