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Guns anyone?
« on: April 02, 2020, 09:24:35 PM »
Has the recent virus and mad dash for supplies got anyone reconsidering their position on guns?

If you are in one of those countries who do not allow personal firearms, does it make you wish you could own your own gun?

what would it take to change your mind?

Most gun owners here in merica have an understanding that having a firearm is needed for the coming zombie apocalypse.  Zombie being a metaphor for any social disaster that has the general population out of civil control.

Just think our situation now, and a power grid failure. among no comforts like interwebs AC and phones. it means no perishable foods. all meat dairy and veg gone. which means a run on dry goods even more so then than now.

Which means if my neighbor is stocked up and my family is starving and i don't think it is fair he wont share, but i have a ball bat, then i will be stocked up. and so it goes like a plague through a population.

This is something we are a computer virus away from. still think AR-15s are a bad idea?

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2020, 09:39:01 PM »
The manifest relish with which many preppers anticipate their "need" for a firearm is an indication of motivations other than mere survival.

You're doing journeyman work reinforcing stereotypes here, Drich. Boring.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2020, 10:06:36 PM »
Has the recent virus and mad dash for supplies got anyone reconsidering their position on guns?

If you are in one of those countries who do not allow personal firearms, does it make you wish you could own your own gun?

what would it take to change your mind?

Most gun owners here in merica have an understanding that having a firearm is needed for the coming zombie apocalypse.  Zombie being a metaphor for any social disaster that has the general population out of civil control.

Just think our situation now, and a power grid failure. among no comforts like interwebs AC and phones. it means no perishable foods. all meat dairy and veg gone. which means a run on dry goods even more so then than now.

Which means if my neighbor is stocked up and my family is starving and i don't think it is fair he wont share, but i have a ball bat, then i will be stocked up. and so it goes like a plague through a population.

This is something we are a computer virus away from. still think AR-15s are a bad idea?

Having a hard time calming those amygdalae, aren't you, Drich? ::)
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2020, 02:16:15 AM »
I come from a country that, with a few exceptions, does not allow personal firearms, certainly nothing even remotely like in the USA and never for "personal protection".  The personal protection shibboleth is really an oxymoron, statistics show that owning a firearm, particularly a pistol, for personal protection dramatically increases your risk of being killed or injured, usually and ironically by your own firearm.  To answer your question, there is nothing about the Covid-19 situations with its isolation requirements and all, that has done the slightest bit to change my attitude to owning a fire arm.  What would change my opinion?  If I were to move out of the city I might invest in a long arm or two to shoot rabbits or deer for the table, but I just don't feel the need to have a firearm for security reasons.  We gain far more personal protection by acting collectively for the mutual good.  Stay the f***k at home!
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2020, 11:54:04 AM »
I agree with Bluenose here. I never understood the absurd gun loving culture in the USA. Not that I'm against gun ownership itself (as long as they don't fall in the hands of morons, the mentally sick and criminals), but I find the immense love for guns pretty outrageous and dangerous.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2020, 12:27:30 PM »
I agree with Bluenose here. I never understood the absurd gun loving culture in the USA. Not that I'm against gun ownership itself (as long as they don't fall in the hands of morons, the mentally sick and criminals), but I find the immense love for guns pretty outrageous and dangerous.

I agree.

Also, the way I see it, people who buy guns 'for personal protection' are a fearful bunch, and I don't trust fearful people to act rationally especially if they aren't trained for highly stressful situations, such as law enforcers, soldiers, etc. Put your average person with a gun in a situation that requires a slightly more complex decision-making process and the potential for disaster is high. There are just too many trigger-happy people out there for me personally to think owning guns is a good idea. Besides the other factor that Bluenose pointed out:

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...statistics show that owning a firearm, particularly a pistol, for personal protection dramatically increases your risk of being killed or injured, usually and ironically by your own firearm.
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2020, 01:47:41 PM »
ah well, perhapz i have a different point of view?

my cousin waz murdered in a mass shooting in a university conference room. during a thesis defense. three dead

i used to drive tbrough a garlic festival where a mass shooting occured last year. four people were killed

i once lived in a city where a mass shooting occured on a street i frequented, last year. eight people died

dangerous situations can occur withou you being an instigator. i've had guns in my house most of my life. i'm licensed to carry a concealed weapon, and i do.

i dont plan on killing someone, but i live in a society where i would rather choose not to use the gun i carry rather than be unable to use the one i dont. i dont see this as dangerous.

quite the contrary, i consider it reasonable and prudent


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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2020, 01:55:41 PM »
The problem with guns boils down to stupid humans and their massive talent of deliberately demonstrating said stupidity.

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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2020, 02:07:15 PM »
ah well, perhapz i have a different point of view?

my cousin waz murdered in a mass shooting in a university conference room. during a thesis defense. three dead

i used to drive tbrough a garlic festival where a mass shooting occured last year. four people were killed

i once lived in a city where a mass shooting occured on a street i frequented, last year. eight people died

dangerous situations can occur withou you being an instigator. i've had guns in my house most of my life. i'm licensed to carry a concealed weapon, and i do.

i dont plan on killing someone, but i live in a society where i would rather choose not to use the gun i carry rather than be unable to use the one i dont. i dont see this as dangerous.

quite the contrary, i consider it reasonable and prudent

Sorry to hear about your cousin, it's horrible that mass shootings seem to be common in some parts of the world. :( However, I wonder if weapons weren't so widespread and easy to access by the general population in the US then there would be a whole lot less mass shootings.   
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2020, 03:15:41 PM »
i thi k that you re correct. most of the world doesnt see the need for a gun culture.. if it were a different world, my life would be different too. but it is what it is.

i know several people who carry gunz that i dont think have the correct mindset to be doing so. i dont have an answer, but i do have a wife and five kids i want to keep safe.

so im just careful and ztay alert
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2020, 04:00:45 PM »
The manifest relish with which many preppers anticipate their "need" for a firearm is an indication of motivations other than mere survival.
what happens to you and or your family if you happen to live in a no go zone?

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You're doing journeyman work reinforcing stereotypes here, Drich. Boring.
actually that work is only happening in your mind, as i have not advocated the ownership of guns. I am just asking the question does the light of recent event coupled with another catastrophe make you reconsider.

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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2020, 04:07:06 PM »
Has the recent virus and mad dash for supplies got anyone reconsidering their position on guns?

If you are in one of those countries who do not allow personal firearms, does it make you wish you could own your own gun?

what would it take to change your mind?

Most gun owners here in merica have an understanding that having a firearm is needed for the coming zombie apocalypse.  Zombie being a metaphor for any social disaster that has the general population out of civil control.

Just think our situation now, and a power grid failure. among no comforts like interwebs AC and phones. it means no perishable foods. all meat dairy and veg gone. which means a run on dry goods even more so then than now.

Which means if my neighbor is stocked up and my family is starving and i don't think it is fair he wont share, but i have a ball bat, then i will be stocked up. and so it goes like a plague through a population.

This is something we are a computer virus away from. still think AR-15s are a bad idea?

Having a hard time calming those amygdalae, aren't you, Drich? ::)
me no i have no run on emotions. just wanted to see how you all fare when the frame work most of you think will always be there and will protect you crumbles and falls when there is no AC and no toilet paper. Do you convictions run out when the meat truck stops delivering?

This is less about guns and more about how deep your faith in society is and do you have a plan b?

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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2020, 04:21:42 PM »
I come from a country that, with a few exceptions, does not allow personal firearms, certainly nothing even remotely like in the USA and never for "personal protection".  The personal protection shibboleth is really an oxymoron, statistics show that owning a firearm, particularly a pistol, for personal protection dramatically increases your risk of being killed or injured, usually and ironically by your own firearm.
and people who own knives or bees are far more likly to be cut or stung than people who don't own them. In fact i got my first hive last year and was stung more in that year than i have the previous 40 years combined. However since i learned how to work with bees i do not even need a bee suit. the same is true for owning knives.. or hammers nails or any other tool. you are far more likely to be injured by something you are in close proximity to/own than something you do not own/have not been exposed to.

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To answer your question, there is nothing about the Covid-19 situations with its isolation requirements and all, that has done the slightest bit to change my attitude to owning a fire arm.  What would change my opinion?  If I were to move out of the city I might invest in a long arm or two to shoot rabbits or deer for the table, but I just don't feel the need to have a firearm for security reasons.  We gain far more personal protection by acting collectively for the mutual good.  Stay the f***k at home!

Now if you considered my OP properly i changed your social structure and dynamic completely. This wasn't just about the virus. I said with the virus and a power grid shut down... which stops all perishable food stores and deliveries, city water supplies internet phones the whole lot.  Then i introduced my baseball bat, with the collapsed society, who would naturally have very limited access to police or medical. If I am 6'8" tall 275 lbs of angry hungry man with again a ball bat with no food. and you have a store of food, but no way to call for help. Would you want a way to defend yourself that did not need you to be athletic or to be skilled in any martial art form, or would you just hand over your supplies? or do i beat you to death or near death and take all you have?


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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2020, 04:22:45 PM »
I agree with Bluenose here. I never understood the absurd gun loving culture in the USA. Not that I'm against gun ownership itself (as long as they don't fall in the hands of morons, the mentally sick and criminals), but I find the immense love for guns pretty outrageous and dangerous.

Ok now take your belief and filter it through my scenario

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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2020, 04:26:49 PM »
Drich, I live in the United States, and I have a plan B: ubuntu, a word in the Xhosa language spoken in South Africa. The way I've heard it defined is, "we can only be human together." In other words, I am betting on people being good rather than being bad. In times of disaster, overwhelmingly people act with generosity, compassion, and mercy. That's not my opinion; that's documented. There was an article in a local newspaper about this very thing today:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/03/opinion/were-not-contagion-disasters-like-coronavirus-bring-out-best-people/

No one wants to think about food shortages, social breakdown, or rioting. Could it happen? Yes. Will it? I find it unlikely. I place a high value on civilization, and I will continue to act civilized with the hope, and the belief, that others will as well.

But Drich: I do own guns. If it all goes south, I'm not going to shoot my neighbor who is asking me to help her. I'm going to shoot the person who is trying to hurt her.