Not-so-perfect argument for God

[Ahgendai]

Hi All-

It's me the once in a lifetime spammer....  I'll answer your questions.  The way I got around it was by logging in on another one of my computers using a different login name.  If I get banned again I won't make another attempt.  

I'm not here to annoy a group of atheists or to push my beliefs onto others.  I've had enough of that myself.  My purpose was to present a unique and radical perspective on some old arguments about the existence and non-existence of God.  Given the chance to understand what Azrael Ondi-Ahman is actually explaining, you may gain a new perspective on outdated philosophies and circular arguments that have gone on for centuries.  Azrael Ondi-Ahman adds new premises to very old arguments that have never been fully explored.  He gives rational and reasonable explanations about God and heaven having a beginning and being part of an evolutionary process, that God did not create this earth and is not responsible for natural evil, why homosexuality is not a sin, how abortion is a woman's choice and acceptable under certain conditions, why it is OK to fight evil short of killing another (it is never OK to kill another under any conditions), why the doctrine of perfection is a set up for religions to control through guilt and shame, the need for true equality for women to save humankind from self-destruction, that to be fully spiritual that you must be fully sexual, that God is a collective will of exalted human beings that are actually capable of sin themselves, and many other radical views from a man who has spent nearly 30 years writing a new book of scripture and beginning a new religion.  He plans on setting humankind free from oppressive systems by dismantling major world religions.  In large part, I am more interested in atheists, philosophers, and scientists testing his theories than I am in converting anyone.  I believe in this man and look forward him getting in the ring.

Have a great day,

David

[curiosityandthecat]

Sounds to me like Azrael is just trying to adopt, adapt and improve... but still keep the veil of religion. Why even bother taking every moral stance in most organized religions (all of the Big Three), reversing them, but still insisting that God is the basis for everything?

It's like taking all the animals, clowns, food, tricks, acrobats and sideshows out of a circus... but still insisting it's a circus. What's the point?

[McQ]

Hi All-

It's me the once in a lifetime spammer....  I'll answer your questions.  The way I got around it was by logging in on another one of my computers using a different login name.  If I get banned again I won't make another attempt.  

I'm not here to annoy a group of atheists or to push my beliefs onto others.  I've had enough of that myself.  My purpose was to present a unique and radical perspective on some old arguments about the existence and non-existence of God.  Given the chance to understand what Azrael Ondi-Ahman is actually explaining, you may gain a new perspective on outdated philosophies and circular arguments that have gone on for centuries.  Azrael Ondi-Ahman adds new premises to very old arguments that have never been fully explored.  He gives rational and reasonable explanations about God and heaven having a beginning and being part of an evolutionary process, that God did not create this earth and is not responsible for natural evil, why homosexuality is not a sin, how abortion is a woman's choice and acceptable under certain conditions, why it is OK to fight evil short of killing another (it is never OK to kill another under any conditions), why the doctrine of perfection is a set up for religions to control through guilt and shame, the need for true equality for women to save humankind from self-destruction, that to be fully spiritual that you must be fully sexual, that God is a collective will of exalted human beings that are actually capable of sin themselves, and many other radical views from a man who has spent nearly 30 years writing a new book of scripture and beginning a new religion.  He plans on setting humankind free from oppressive systems by dismantling major world religions.  In large part, I am more interested in atheists, philosophers, and scientists testing his theories than I am in converting anyone.  I believe in this man and look forward him getting in the ring.

Have a great day,

David

Thank you, David, for being more straightforward this time and giving us a background on why you are here and what your beliefs are. I have not yet read or listened to this man, but will when I get time. I do have to say from your description that my impression is that he simply doesn't need to couch all this in a new religion. It's reinventing the wheel, and many others have done similar things, including Martin Luther. But as I said, I haven't given him the benefit of the doubt yet.

I think you'll find people more receptive to discussion with this approach. They may not agree, but certainly will be more willing to at least discuss and argue respectfully.

[Ahgendai]

Azrael Ondi-Ahman isn't necessarily using the same characters in his "circus."  Some of what he shares is reminiscent of other relgious belief systems, but he adds new premises and understandings of what/who God is that have never been explored before.  God is not responsible for this universe and he teaches a new explanation  of how this is possible that includes it's own theology, cosmology, philosophy, etc. that differentiates it from the "circus" with the same old characters.  You can check out some of his videos on youtube to give you an idea of what he is saying.  The ones that are up are a bit limited in sharing what is radically different, but I'm sure that new videos will be up in the near future where the differences will begin to distinguish him from the same old same old.

cheeers,

David