My hero...?

[Amicale]

Aww,you're a good mom, Amicale.
I think it's great you give a honest reason, not just saying "no, don't do/touch that."

Sometimes kid feel offended when you talk to them like idiots.

Some kids ARE idiots, though. Just pointing it out.
But that is all the more reason for explaining things to them.

I prefer the term ignorant. And that term covers a heck of a lot of adults, too.

There's no shame in ignorance, though. Ignorance can be corrected. Stupidity is deliberately willful.

[Sweetdeath]

Aww,you're a good mom, Amicale.
I think it's great you give a honest reason, not just saying "no, don't do/touch that."

Sometimes kid feel offended when you talk to them like idiots.

Some kids ARE idiots, though. Just pointing it out.
But that is all the more reason for explaining things to them.

Indeed.

[Reprobate]

The girl (I think) with the unauthorized library is pretty spectacular, but did anyone else think the same thing I did. This book banning thing might work well, if we ban a bunch of books and then pretend we don't notice that kids are reading them.

It encourages kids to read, and it allows them to express their natural desire to rebel and break rules harmlessly, and it gives them a sense of accomplishment for getting away with something.

[Asmodean]

It encourages kids to read, and it allows them to express their natural desire to rebel and break rules harmlessly, and it gives them a sense of accomplishment for getting away with something.

I would not read Twilight regardless of its ban status. And I'm pretty sure I'd read something i found interesting with not a care for what other people might think of it.

Reading a banned book is nowhere near "rebelling" or "breaking the rules" - technically, it is, but it is not satisfying unless it matters and has (preferably catastrophic) real consequences for a bunch of people.

[Amicale]

It encourages kids to read, and it allows them to express their natural desire to rebel and break rules harmlessly, and it gives them a sense of accomplishment for getting away with something.

I would not read Twilight regardless of its ban status. And I'm pretty sure I'd read something i found interesting with not a care for what other people might think of it.

Reading a banned book is nowhere near "rebelling" or "breaking the rules" - technically, it is, but it is not satisfying unless it matters and has (preferably catastrophic) real consequences for a bunch of people.

I would assume that students attending a Catholic school that banned such books would probably face detentions or suspensions if they were caught reading that material; possibly they'd be barred from 'fun' school activities (not that the place sounds like it would be much fun, ha) and the school would get ahold of the students' parents so that they'd get even more grief at home. I can only imagine what might happen to the student running a library out of a locker.

I was in a Catholic school for part of elementary school. I'd get detentions for normal stuff, like not having my math homework done... but also for odd stuff, like asking too many questions in religion class.  The times we got detentions, their idea of punishment was to keep us in at recess and make us copy long, long segments of the Bible (Old Testament) out onto foolscap. And then rip them up, and re-write them again. Their odd idea of punishment backfired, unfortunately... by the time I was 13, I'd already read good chunks of the Old Testament, and had started to have issues with it. 

The school wasn't a nightmare, though. A few teachers there were the kindest people ever. The principal was the one with the odd detention ideas.

[Reprobate]

"...the school would get ahold of the students' parents so that they'd get even more grief at home."

That would backfire with me. I couldn't see ever paying for my kids to be "educated" by an institution (you can't really consider this a school) that would ban books, but if that were my daughter, I'd be damned proud of her.

[Amicale]

"...the school would get ahold of the students' parents so that they'd get even more grief at home."

That would backfire with me. I couldn't see ever paying for my kids to be "educated" by an institution (you can't really consider this a school) that would ban books, but if that were my daughter, I'd be damned proud of her.

Same, I'd be proud of my daughter if she did that, too.

I'm hoping that some of the parents who sent their kids to that school objected to the book bans. It's always a possibility (or maybe I'm just an optimist?) that some of the parents would be more sensible than the school, and would object. That post was made 3 years ago. I'd be curious to know if those particular books are still banned, or if some of the parents spoke up and got stuff changed.

[Nihilist]

How the fuck can a school ban The Divine Comedy?

[Asmodean]

I would assume that students attending a Catholic school that banned such books would probably face detentions or suspensions if they were caught reading that material; possibly they'd be barred from 'fun' school activities

They call that consequences? Unless there are like five people living in that area, I assume there are more fish in the sea. One school kicks your ass out - go for the next one. As for detention, so what..? A chance for you to make whoever is watching you miserable while sleeping. OR you could just fuck it and leave, refering to suggestion number one if any one stirs a storm in a coffee cup over it.

and the school would get ahold of the students' parents so that they'd get even more grief at home.

So you get into a screaming match at home... If you are good at screaming, you may even win. This is nothing to get into a fist fight with daddy over, is it?  ???

I can only imagine what might happen to the student running a library out of a locker.

Great PR and nothing of consequence?  ???

I was in a Catholic school for part of elementary school. I'd get detentions for normal stuff, like not having my math homework done... but also for odd stuff, like asking too many questions in religion class.  The times we got detentions, their idea of punishment was to keep us in at recess and make us copy long, long segments of the Bible (Old Testament) out onto foolscap. And then rip them up, and re-write them again. Their odd idea of punishment backfired, unfortunately... by the time I was 13, I'd already read good chunks of the Old Testament, and had started to have issues with it. 

See! You see?! Detention is bullshit. Besides, if you didn't want to copy the OT, you could more than likely just not do it.

[Tank]

How the fuck can a school ban The Divine Comedy?

The how is easy, 'Don't read that.', it's the why that's so stupid!!!

[Sweetdeath]

How the fuck can a school ban The Divine Comedy?

The how is easy, 'Don't read that.', it's the why that's so stupid!!!

Keep the cattle dumb, and they won't question the herder.

[Amicale]

How the fuck can a school ban The Divine Comedy?

The how is easy, 'Don't read that.', it's the why that's so stupid!!!

Keep the cattle dumb, and they won't question the herder.

A theist who I generally have a lot of respect for because she's a very kind, funny lady posted a question on Facebook that asked "would you rather be a sheep or a wolf?" and the discussion that followed was astounding. Not in a good way. Basically, those who answered equated Christians/theists with innocent sheep in a flock who followed God, and equated wolves with people who tried to live life their own way in a pack mentality, organizing themselves in order to take down others. And of course, almost everyone said they'd rather be a sheep, rather than a wolf... although a few people said they'd sooner be 'wolves'. 

I answered with "Neither. Sheep blindly follow without questioning, and wolves attack people. It's a false dilemma. Just because you live life your own way does NOT mean you try and take down others. We can also be people to try to see the best in others, and to help them out, without any belief in the supernatural." and of course... they jumped on me. Sigh. Funny how sheeple can turn into wolves so quickly...

My point as it relates to this thread is that I don't want ANYONE teaching my child how to be either. I don't want any 'educator' to discourage her from learning, thinking, or asking questions. I don't want her to EVER think she just has to blindly trust any authority figure without asking questions, and that includes me -- already, she asks 'mama, why??' and I'm proud of her for that!

[Anti-antidisestablishmentarianism]

Absolutely fan-damn-tastic!

I am completly opposed to the banning of books and anyone who condones or practices it.
I mean seriously! If your belief system is so weak that you cannot condone of kids even reading a dissentiong opinion, then it is time to re-evaluate your beliefs.

Somebody give this kid a prize! Or a cookie.

Or another copy of Catcher in the Rye!!

[xSilverPhinx]

I always TRY to give my kiddo a basic reason why. Not just "don't touch the stove", but "the stove is very hot and if you touch it, you'll get burned and it'll hurt. Mama can touch it because she's a grown up and grown ups know how to. When you're grown up, you can use the stove too!" to which she responded "I don't WANNA use the stove!" 

LOL

Well at least you did your part.

[Amicale]

I always TRY to give my kiddo a basic reason why. Not just "don't touch the stove", but "the stove is very hot and if you touch it, you'll get burned and it'll hurt. Mama can touch it because she's a grown up and grown ups know how to. When you're grown up, you can use the stove too!" to which she responded "I don't WANNA use the stove!" 

LOL

Well at least you did your part.

I'm having visions of take-out containers littering her future home...