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Fabrice Muamba: Racist Twitter comments admitted by Swansea student

Started by Tank, March 19, 2012, 02:37:59 PM

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Tank

Provided reasoned criticism of a world view is not deemed 'hate speech' I see nothing wrong with control or moderation. If the laws now in place had existed in the 1920/30s there would still be a lot of homosexuals alive in Germany. Hate speech appeals to the soft-minded, ignorant and easily lead. And they are lead by fascists, theists and egomaniacs in general. 
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Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Tank

Fabrice Muamba: Bolton midfielder discharged from hospital

QuoteBolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba has paid tribute to the London Chest Hospital staff after being discharged.

The 24-year-old was technically "dead" for 78 minutes after suffering a cardiac arrest and collapsing in a game against Tottenham on 17 March and had been in hospital since then.

"I am naturally very pleased to be discharged from hospital," he said.

"I would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to every single member of staff who played a part in my care." ...

Some good news for a change  :)
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

DeterminedJuliet

Aww, nice!

Dead for 78 minutes! Whew! That's a lot to come back from.
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Tank

If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Firebird

I don't agree with libel laws, nor jailing this guy. Yes, he sounds like a complete asshole, but I am also a big believer in freedom of speech, and unfortunately that includes saying things like this, or Rush Limbaugh calling that university student a "slut", etc. Because where do you draw the line on what's allowed to be said?
I don't believe the Germany analogy applies here. There's a big difference between allowing a person to say stupid things and systematically discriminating against a minority. We have the Westboro Baptist Church running around the US screaming "God hates f***gs", but the government isn't imprisoning homosexuals. If anything, we've become far more accepting as a society.
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En_Route

Quote from: Tank on March 28, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
If the laws now in place had existed in the 1920/30s there would still be a lot of homosexuals alive in Germany.

Surely they would all be dead by now?
Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual could believe them (Orwell).

Tank

Quote from: En_Route on April 21, 2012, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 28, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
If the laws now in place had existed in the 1920/30s there would still be a lot of homosexuals alive in Germany.

Surely they would all be dead by now?
Oh fuck off!!!  :D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

En_Route

Quote from: Tank on April 21, 2012, 09:41:04 PM
Quote from: En_Route on April 21, 2012, 09:37:48 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 28, 2012, 09:39:27 AM
If the laws now in place had existed in the 1920/30s there would still be a lot of homosexuals alive in Germany.

Surely they would all be dead by now?
Oh fuck off!!!  :D

That's the only language people like me understand.
Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual could believe them (Orwell).

En_Route

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on April 20, 2012, 03:50:24 PM
Aww, nice!

Dead for 78 minutes! Whew! That's a lot to come back from.

I think Jesus is claiming the record but there are some ongoing issues around the verification process.
Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual could believe them (Orwell).

xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Ali on March 19, 2012, 03:40:09 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 19, 2012, 03:36:15 PM
Do we trust the legal institutions to apply this fairly while under pressure from both P.C. activists and traditionalists? It's a minefield.

I'll bet.

I'm sort of torn in my opinion on this.  On one hand, I do believe that racism needs to be stamped out.  On the other hand, I think that freedom of speech is probably the most important right that we have in the US, kind of the right that all other rights stem from.  But, bottom line, if the people in the UK think it's a good thing, that's all that matters since it is your country. 

I agree with this, criminally charging the guy for his racist comments on twitter isn't the way to go. Don't want to make him into some kind of martyr for free speech and distract from the issue by victimising him (the racist)...

If people think that racist comments are a bad thing, that student would be digging his own grave by himself, there really isn't need to interfere with that by slapping a criminal charge, fine, etc.
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