Student-organised talk on Sharia law at the University of London cancelled

[Genericguy]

This is why I seriously question whether Islam can every be integrated into a free society.

"The bomb was followed by a fatal shooting incident near Oslo at a youth meeting of the Labour Party, which Mr Stoltenberg leads.

Norwegian media said at least four people were killed when a man opened fire indiscriminately.

Police said the suspected gunman had been arrested, TV2 reported.

No group has said they carried out the attacks but police say they believe them to be linked.

Hours after the bomb struck Oslo, officials said some people were still inside the damaged buildings, some of which were on fire."

This is why I seriously question whether Christianity can ever be integrated into a free society.


Edit: added quote from ecurb.

[Sweetdeath]

I equally hate all religon and think every society should be secular. If people wanna be religious , do it at home.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

sorry

[Ecurb Noselrub]

This is why I seriously question whether Islam can ever be integrated into a free society.

That's an interesting question. One that for our kids will be far from academic. I did the last year of my degree (2011) in a class of 24 of which only 5 were NOT muslims. I'm quite pleased to say that the guy I got on best with was a Bosnian Muslim. He'd been in the war and had seen comrades killed just a few feet away and had taken his own share of lives. He's a really great guy. There was a Sufi Muslim guy who was just joy on legs. They were a great bunch of people.

There is a very vocal and potentially violent segment of disaffected youth that get a lot of bad press that smears on the majority of Muslims who are just trying to get along.

However the Islamic meme has been very carefully crafted by Mohamed then refined over the centuries and in its worst Saudi/Iranian/Afghanistani/Pakistani guises is an absolute anathema to western civilisation and freedom of expression.

A very difficult problem to even quantify let alone solve.

No question that the majority of Muslims are non-violent.  But since the Qur'an seemingly sanctions violence in certain situations, those passages will always be there to incite the most passionate, angry, young male Muslims.  At least the violent Old Testament passages have been tempered by the New Testament and by the Christian Reformation, and by Christianity developing along side of the Renaissance and Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution.  Islam doesn't have this, and for the most part sees the world as if it were the 8th Century. 

Eventually, Jews got tired of the violence of the OT, and Christian violence subsided a great deal after Catholics and Protestants got tired of killing each other (except in Ireland).  Islam will, hopefully, just get tired of the bloodshed after a while, but can we wait 100 years for that to happen?

[Genericguy]

Eventually, Jews got tired of the violence of the OT, and Christian violence subsided a great deal after Catholics and Protestants got tired of killing each other (except in Ireland).  Islam will, hopefully, just get tired of the bloodshed after a while, but can we wait 100 years for that to happen?

I would use the general decline in violence from the other religions as a forecast for Islam.

[xSilverPhinx]

I think Islam will get there eventually. Of course, there is the issue of nuclear weapons that exist now...

But then again there is a segment of poltical Christians who have said that if they had to detonate a few nuclear weapons to bring the apocolypse and the second coming of christ, then they would.

So...

There are fanatics on every side.

[Genericguy]

On a side note, I think the internet will have a lot to do with it. Although it's filled with B.S., it makes information more easily accessible.

[Sweetdeath]

I think Islam will get there eventually. Of course, there is the issue of nuclear weapons that exist now...

Right. So we really can't afford to wait, can we?

[xSilverPhinx]

I think Islam will get there eventually. Of course, there is the issue of nuclear weapons that exist now...

Right. So we really can't afford to wait, can we?

Any attempt to directly intervene might escalate the problem (forced westernisation might be seen as cultural crusading and will be resisted), but yes, the more we wait for Islam to catch up, the more time there would be for a potential disaster.

I'm curious to see what's going to happen in the near future with the Arab Spring and all. A moment of theocracy is to be expected with the power vacuum that the dictators have left, but hopefully they'll reach some form of democratic secular governments soon.

[Tank]

I think Islam will get there eventually. Of course, there is the issue of nuclear weapons that exist now...

Right. So we really can't afford to wait, can we?

That is the biggest problem. With Egypt going fundamentalist in the recent elections and the Persians (Iranians) developing nuclear weapons right next door to Isreal on the one side and Pakistan on the other (Sunni/Shia issues) things are definitly looking interesting.

[pytheas]

Sex drugs and rocknroll can deal with any fucking religious society and wash it out. Insatiable hypersexed barbarella-geishas instead of smart bombs. FUCK YOUR WAY TO PEACE, like saying make love and not war

the majority of muslims are not peaceful! they are sheep as the majority of the world

when in rome one owes to behave like a roman!
what the fuck they cannot assimilate? the chosen country's language not on the priority list?
Do it at home, ditto. There is no other alternative.
In the general public, the ( ok one preferable)  natural progression is minimised rule as you increase understanding, secular and pretty bloody liberal in the moral sense.

I am personally insulted at a public religious broadcast. its blasphemy to our human nature, preventing us from owing our capacities and being responsible for our crawling in the mud. it's also a direct insult to my perception and intelligence.

Allow nearly anything, but strictly enforce the limit

[Tank]

Sex drugs and rocknroll can deal with any fucking religious society and wash it out. Insatiable hypersexed barbarella-geishas instead of smart bombs. FUCK YOUR WAY TO PEACE, like saying make love and not war

the majority of muslims are not peaceful! they are sheep as the majority of the world

when in rome one owes to behave like a roman!
what the fuck they cannot assimilate? the chosen country's language not on the priority list?
Do it at home, ditto. There is no other alternative.
In the general public, the ( ok one preferable)  natural progression is minimised rule as you increase understanding, secular and pretty bloody liberal in the moral sense.

I am personally insulted at a public religious broadcast. its blasphemy to our human nature, preventing us from owing our capacities and being responsible for our crawling in the mud. it's also a direct insult to my perception and intelligence.

Allow nearly anything, but strictly enforce the limit

I always thought sheep were quite peaceful? And in my experience on a day-to-day basis Muslims are just people trying to get along.

[Asmodean]

I always thought sheep were quite peaceful? And in my experience on a day-to-day basis Muslims are just people trying to get along.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/

[Tank]

I always thought sheep were quite peaceful? And in my experience on a day-to-day basis Muslims are just people trying to get along.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/

LOL. Not surprising that was made in NZ 

[The Magic Pudding]