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I could make this hurt less but god told me not to.

Started by The Magic Pudding, December 21, 2011, 03:01:14 AM

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The Magic Pudding

QuoteAnimal welfare groups are calling for all animals slaughtered in Australia to be stunned before they are killed. But in abattoirs across the country, animals are regularly killed without being stunned first. This is because some religious groups opposed to stunning, have been granted exemptions under national guidelines. Rabbi Mordechai Gutnick from Kosher Australia says stunning is banned under Jewish law but the RSPCA considers killing without stunning first inhumane and unnecessary.

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I think it is wrong to make an animal unnecessarily suffer because of ancient practice.
I might even venture to say the failure of god's word to match modern best practice indicates it's not god's word.


OldGit

This row has been simmering in the UK for a long time.  Here the bigger problem is the moslems who make more fuss.

Too Few Lions

yeah, I think it's pretty barbaric to slaughter animals without stunning them, and would definitely ban it. Much as I love red meat, I don't eat much, and don't feel massively comfortable about killing quite intelligent mammals for food. Just wish bacon didn't taste quite so good...

DeterminedJuliet

I thought part of the intent of Kosher was to keep the animals from suffering unnecessarily?
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

xSilverPhinx

I think they prefer that their animals have their wits about them when they die. They have an obsession with purity. ???
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


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Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on December 22, 2011, 02:39:59 PM
I thought part of the intent of Kosher was to keep the animals from suffering unnecessarily?
It's to remove blood from the carcass. If the major arteries are cut while the heart is still pumping the majority of the blood is ejected from the carcass. Jewish butchers do try their best to make the knives as sharp as possible and the cut as quick as possible so the death is as fast as possible within the remit of a live animal. If one considers the circumstances under which kosher/halal rules were created they were the least worst rules that could have been created at the time.
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Quote from: Too Few Lions on December 22, 2011, 09:54:32 AM
yeah, I think it's pretty barbaric to slaughter animals without stunning them, and would definitely ban it. Much as I love red meat, I don't eat much, and don't feel massively comfortable about killing quite intelligent mammals for food. Just wish bacon didn't taste quite so good...

Stunning before killing, eh?   So give 'em a dose of pain before they die. (the permanent sleep)   That's awesome.    Don't you think the more humane thing to do would be to kill them quick and painlessly without prestunning?

That is - short of stopping the slaughter altogether.