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Started by not your typical..., November 10, 2011, 07:30:13 PM

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Quote from: Heisenberg on November 12, 2011, 12:13:08 AM
I'm quite sure that no respected evolutionist would tell you that we 'came from monkeys'. You seem like a smart and curious person, so I would urge you to do some reading on the subject. I think you'll find that it's not only believable, but basically undeniable based on all current evidence. It's also damn fascinating.
You'd be surprised at the number of self-proclaimed evolutionist have said it. I've had teachers, who used to be college professors tell me that we came from monkeys, end of discussion. i thought it was ridiculous. True theory of evolution though, that I could almost agree with. Believable and fascinating, I'm sure. I wouldn't guarantee that it's undeniable though. If it were so undeniable, there would be less people who didn't believe it.
"Accepting the truth and keeping faith is a strong thing to do. Mixing the two however, is the dumbest thing you've ever attempted." - Radical Ostriches Bringing Eternal Requiem Tonight
Advocate for the abnormal.

DeterminedJuliet

Quote from: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 12:18:38 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 12, 2011, 12:13:08 AM
I'm quite sure that no respected evolutionist would tell you that we 'came from monkeys'. You seem like a smart and curious person, so I would urge you to do some reading on the subject. I think you'll find that it's not only believable, but basically undeniable based on all current evidence. It's also damn fascinating.
You'd be surprised at the number of self-proclaimed evolutionist have said it. I've had teachers, who used to be college professors tell me that we came from monkeys, end of discussion. i thought it was ridiculous. True theory of evolution though, that I could almost agree with. Believable and fascinating, I'm sure. I wouldn't guarantee that it's undeniable though. If it were so undeniable, there would be less people who didn't believe it.

Here is a wiki about the breakdown of support for evolution/creationism. It might give you come context about people who tend to believe in evolution, vs. people who tend not to (there's a handy chart comparing various religions and their beliefs on this matter).
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

not your typical...

"Accepting the truth and keeping faith is a strong thing to do. Mixing the two however, is the dumbest thing you've ever attempted." - Radical Ostriches Bringing Eternal Requiem Tonight
Advocate for the abnormal.

DeterminedJuliet

"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Heisenberg

Quote from: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 12:18:38 AM
If it were so undeniable, there would be less people who didn't believe it.
If people were more informed about it, very few people would deny it.
"No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low"-John Lennon

not your typical...

Quote from: Heisenberg on November 12, 2011, 01:06:14 AM
If people were more informed about it, very few people would deny it.
I'll grant you that it would be a substantially less number of people denying, but I know of atheist who don't even believe in evolution.
"Accepting the truth and keeping faith is a strong thing to do. Mixing the two however, is the dumbest thing you've ever attempted." - Radical Ostriches Bringing Eternal Requiem Tonight
Advocate for the abnormal.

Heisenberg

"No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low"-John Lennon

not your typical...

Quote from: Heisenberg on November 12, 2011, 01:42:19 AM
Why do they reject it?
Partially out of disgust. (The thought of being related to monkeys, to them, is a horrid thought. And with acknowledging the structural similarities, they like to think of it like two people who have the same last name, but that's the only thing they really have in common.) And partially because they don't see how any species can change this drastically unless over an extreme amount of time, and they don't believe the earth was around that long. I try not to get too involved in their theories though. Just leaves me confused and in desperate need of prescription strength Excedrin and a large shot of Jack.
"Accepting the truth and keeping faith is a strong thing to do. Mixing the two however, is the dumbest thing you've ever attempted." - Radical Ostriches Bringing Eternal Requiem Tonight
Advocate for the abnormal.

Norfolk And Chance

We share 58% of our genes with bananas. Tell them that.
Reality is the stuff that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it ~ Matt Dillahunty

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Quote from: Norfolk And Chance on November 12, 2011, 02:04:43 AM
We share 58% of our genes with bananas. Tell them that.
Yeah, but bananas are delicious and look like something that most people either have, suck, or f***, so I don't think there will be too many objections.
"Accepting the truth and keeping faith is a strong thing to do. Mixing the two however, is the dumbest thing you've ever attempted." - Radical Ostriches Bringing Eternal Requiem Tonight
Advocate for the abnormal.

Norfolk And Chance

Quote from: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 02:07:11 AM
Quote from: Norfolk And Chance on November 12, 2011, 02:04:43 AM
We share 58% of our genes with bananas. Tell them that.
Yeah, but bananas are delicious and look like something that most people either have, suck, or f***, so I don't think there will be too many objections.

Whoa, not being funny but you are still a child and I'm an adult - I don't really want to be having a banana looking like something I'd suck or fuck type conversation. Boundaries please.
Reality is the stuff that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it ~ Matt Dillahunty

Whitney

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Quote from: not your typical... on November 11, 2011, 11:59:47 PM
Thank you for the clarification. Everyone who I've ever dealt with said that we came from monkeys. I just couldn't find that believable. But this is a good deal more logical. Still don't really believe it, but if it does happen to be true, I'd be less surprised.

I think you are smart enough to just read about what evolution really is as a science and will then realize why we think it is valid.

Berkley's Evolution 101 is a great place to start since it's from a non-biased site (as in not an atheist or christian site...they are obviously going to be biased towards real science ;) ) http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/index.shtml

We also have a whole section of the forum related to creationism/ID where you may want to ask questions about specific things you have heard about evolution and what those around you believe:  http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?board=3.0  I can't promise we'll be able to answer all of them in depth but usually one of us at least know where you can read more on a specific issue.  Talk Origins would be a good source to try first if you want to see the other side of claims made by places such as Answers in Genesis:  http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html

not your typical...

"Accepting the truth and keeping faith is a strong thing to do. Mixing the two however, is the dumbest thing you've ever attempted." - Radical Ostriches Bringing Eternal Requiem Tonight
Advocate for the abnormal.

Tank

Quote from: not your typical... on November 11, 2011, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: Norfolk And Chance on November 11, 2011, 10:27:55 PM
If she's old enough to be lied to about god, she's old enough to hear all about reality. ::)
Instead of taking that as an insult to my faith, I'll use it as a compliment about my character.
That's the point I was making about being lied to. Some have alluded to the opinion that as a minor you are somehow to be treated as a sub-human when it comes to discussion. Thus people should possibly not tell you the whole truth about a subject. If I don't feel it is appropriate to discuss something with you I simply won't discuss it with you.

Have you read 'Why God' yet?
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Tank

Quote from: not your typical... on November 12, 2011, 01:08:17 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 12, 2011, 01:06:14 AM
If people were more informed about it, very few people would deny it.
I'll grant you that it would be a substantially less number of people denying, but I know of atheist who don't even believe in evolution.
In all the hundreds ot thousands of posts I have read on multiple forums I have never read a post by an atheist that denied evolution. That doesn't say they don't exist anymore than there can be white blackbirds. But I've yet to meet one and the number must be utterly miniscule  :)

As a matter of interest what alternative did this evolution denier atheist postulate?
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.