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Started by Nick_A, June 16, 2011, 06:45:09 PM

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Quote from: Twentythree on June 24, 2011, 10:14:52 PM
That is not the essence of the argument. Truth content and "belief" aren't crucial parts to a meaning system. Meaning systems are measured from an evolutionary perspective by what behaviors the induce. Your lack of belief affects your behavior, gives the things you do meaning and influences you interpretation of new information. Therefore, it can be qualified as a meaning system.
No, my lack of belief does not affect my behavior or give things I do meaning and doesn't influence my interpretation.

Quote from: TwentythreeFor example, does your lack of belief play a role in whether or not you decide to attend church service, political rallies, or certain concerts?
No.

Quote from: TwentythreeDoes you lack of belief influence the types of friends you have or the types of literature you purchase or the types of information you seek out on the internet?
No.

Quote from: Twentythreedoes your  If you can answer yes to even one of those questions then your lack of belief in a god has influenced your behavior or shaped the "meaning" of your experience. You can label it whatever you want free thinker, atheist, new atheist whatever. But if your view of reality influences you behavior then i has to be considered in this discussion of meaning systems.
I never said my view in reality did not influence my behavior, but my lack of belief in a god or gods doesn't affect my behavior any more than my lack of belief in unipegagerbils.

Quote from: Twentythree"It's ridiculous to posite that the lack of belief in something is a belief system. That's like saying the lack of blue paint on my car makes my car a blue car."

you are getting belief and meaning confused here.
Care to demonstrate how I've confused the two here?

Quote from: TwentythreeLack of belief is lack of belief but it is in that lack of belief that you derive meaning for the things you do.
Nope, I can't think of a single thing that I've applied meaning to that has anything to do with not believing in a god or gods.

Quote from: TwentythreeEven posting here is influenced by that and therefore gives it meaning.
My posting here is influenced by being able to speak my mind without it getting irrationally removed as well as the other people that post here, my lack of belief in frozen dancing waffles influenced me to post here just as much as my lack of belief in a god or gods.

Quote from: TwentythreeWe are not talking about belief systems but meaning systems.
I was responding to this "These and other belief systems[...]" Which clearly mentions "belief systems" so if we're not talking about belief systems, then why did you quote someone mentioning belief systems?

Quote from: TwentythreePerhaps another question will help illustrate what I'm getting at there. You say that you do not have a belief system. Do you believe that you are correct?
Oh snap, what a conundrum! I don't have to believe that I'm correct, my lack of believing in things means that I don't believe in things.
Always question all authorities because the authority you don't question is the most dangerous... except me, never question me.

Gawen

If one is using Simone Weil as a role model, consider:

She was no advocate of empirical evidence when concerned with 'truth', spiritual or not.
She contracted tuberculoisis and was instructed to rest and eat well. Sshe refused due to her political idealism and activism and a detachment from material things. Coroner's report: "the deceased did kill and slay herself by refusing to eat whilst the balance of her mind was disturbed."
She was attracted to RCC, but declined to be baptized.
She took up parts of other religious traditions: Greek and Egyptian mysteries, parts of Mahayana, Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita forms of Buddhism.
She believed that no creature could exist except where God wasn't. Therefore, creation occurred only when God withdrew in part.
The foundation of her theodicy is: Creation is conceived as necessarily containing evil within itself and therefore there is no problem of evil in our perfect world.
She believed that "Evil is the form which God's mercy takes in this world." That evil, and affliction, serves drives us out of ourselves and towards God "The extreme affliction which overtakes human beings does not create human misery, it merely reveals it." and that affliction drives us to "decreation", which is not death, but something akin to nirvana.

There's a lot more more her ramblings. She sounds like a very mixed up young woman.
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor