False prophets mislead the faithful

[Churchworker]

Hi my name is Churchworker and I am here not to convert anyone but to let you know what the bible actually has to say. I know a lot of people have quit as Christians and have become atheist because of the false prophets in the Christian church today that work for Satan to turn everyone away from the truth.
The false prophets have rewritten their own bible which condemns homosexuality, but here is what the bible means in the various verses:

(from the Reformed Christian International Church)

1.   "And with a male you shall not lay [in the] lyings of a woman." That is, two men must not engage in sexual behavior on a woman's bed. Presumably, they must go elsewhere to have sex; a woman's bed was sacred and was to be reserved for heterosexual sex.
 "And a man who will lie down with a male in beds of a woman, both of them have made an abomination; dying they will die. Their blood is on them."

"Religious objections to homosexuality spring from two sources. One is the ancient patriarchal warrior-clan religion on which several modern religions are based. In their clans it was every male's duty to breed, to produce more soldiers, and any who didn't were violating cult taboo: it was taken as a sign of non-male weakness, of "sin" against their warrior Father.
1.   many other references to Sodom in the Bible and Jewish literature.

1.   Wanted to humiliate their visitors by engaging in "an act of sexual degradation and male rape...These are acts of violence that are committed by parties seeking to show their hatred for those they are degrading. It is not an act of love or of caring" 1 Perhaps the sin of Sodom was the threat of mass rape.
2.   Wanted to engage in bestiality -- having sex with members of another species. The mob may have wanted to rape the angels; angels are not human beings; they are of a different species. This would be consistent with the quotation in Jude about the men of Sodom going after "other flesh" or "strange flesh."
3.   Wanted to adsorb the power of the angels: In ancient times, sacred sex was very common. People would engage in sexual intercourse with temple prostitutes who represented a god or goddess. By doing so, the people believed that they would receive a blessing from the deity. If the people of Sodom realized that angels sent by God were present in their city, the men of Sodom may have concluded that raping the angels might give them supernatural powers.
Bible make it clear that Sodom was punished because of the violent, abusive, inhospitable, greedy, and unsympathetic behavior of its citizens towards visitors, widows, the poor and other disadvantaged persons. Liberals often interpret Genesis 19 as condemning homosexual rape simply because it is rape. It would then be consistent with Deuteronomy 22:25-29 which condemns heterosexual rape. The passage does not impact on consensual homosexual activities between consenting adults, and is totally unrelated to loving, committed, same-sex relationships, civil unions and marriages. Most religious liberals are  faced with the inescapable and rather surprising conclusion that the condemned activities in Sodom probably had nothing to do with sodomy -- i.e. anal sex. As one Christian editor wrote: "To suggest that Sodom and Gomorrah is about homosexual sex is an analysis of about as much worth as suggesting that the story of Jonah and the whale is a treatise on fishing."  

In the past, Christian leaders have mainly used two Bible passages to condemn masturbation:
 
One passage, in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament), describes the death of Onan. It was a widespread belief that Onan was killed by God because he masturbated. This event was the source of the term "Onanism" -- once used as a synonym for masturbation. But further analysis indicates that he was murdered for the "crime" of using a primitive method of birth control to avoid conceiving a child. The Christian churches have now generally accepted the latter interpretation of this passage. The term Onanism is now rarely used.
 
The second passage is from the Christian Scriptures. It refers to a unknown form of behavior. The meaning of the original Greek phrase has been lost. Bible interpreters have assigned various meanings to the term in the past two millennia. Originally it was believed to indicate a lack of a strong moral sense. Later it was believed to refer to masturbation. Among many conservative Protestants today, it refers to homosexuality. To our knowledge, no Christian group today interprets the passage as referring to masturbation.
Christian groups currently differ in their interpretation of the Greek words "pornea" and "akatharsia," found throughout the Christian Scriptures. These are often translated "fornication" and "uncleanness." Some conservative Christian groups include masturbation as one of many acts that fall within the definitions of fornication and uncleanness. Many liberal Christian churches have a much more restrictive view of the two terms.
A third passage which may deal with masturbation is part of the Mosaic Code, and is contained in Leviticus 15. Verse 16 may be interpreted as referring to masturbation in a matter-of-fact manner. The passage does not condemn the practice. We have only seen one reference to this verse on Christian web sites.
 
Genesis 38:6-9 -- The sin of Onan:
This passage describes how Tamar's first husband Er was killed by God because he was wicked. Under ancient Jewish tradition, Er's brother Onan was required to marry and engage in sexual intercourse with Tamar. Widows were not asked whether they wanted to remarry. In many cases, the woman would have experienced the sexual activity as a form of rape -- something required by tribal tradition which they had to endure. Similarly, nobody consulted the widow's brother-in-law about his wishes in the matter.
Their first son would be attributed to Er. Because any offspring would not be considered his child, Onan decided to use a common and relatively ineffective contraceptive technique to prevent conception. He employed "coitus interruptus". That is, he disengaged from Tamar just before he ejaculated, and "spilled his semen on the ground." (NIV) God was displeased at this action and killed Onan also -- presumably because he refused to follow Jewish tradition.
This passage was used until recent decades by some Christian groups who maintained that Onan's sin was actually masturbation. The term "Onanism" was coined as a synonym of masturbation. This interpretation is no longer in common use.
 
I Corinthians 6:9 -- Sins that Paul believes will send you to Hell:
The author, Paul, listed a group of sinful activities. He believed that practicing any one of them would prevent a person from inheriting the Kingdom of God. They would be sent to Hell when they died. This verse has been translated in many ways among the 25 English versions of the Bible that we have analyzed.
One of the condemned behaviors is "malakoi arsenokoitai" in the original Greek. Malakoi means soft. It was translated in both Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25 as "soft" (KJV) or as "fine" (NIV) in references to clothing. The actual meaning of arsenokoitai has been lost. Some sources in the early Church interpreted the phrase as referring to people of soft morals; i.e. exhibiting unethical behavior. That may well be the correct meaning, because presumably people from that era would probably have still known the meaning of the word "arsenokoitai." Others in the early Church thought that it meant "temple prostitutes" - people who engaged in ritual sex in Pagan temples. Still others thought that it meant "masturbators." At the time of Martin Luther, the latter meaning was in universal use. But by the 20th century, masturbation had become a more generally accepted behavior, whereas many Christians were concentrating on homosexuality as a despised activity. New Biblical translations abandoned references to masturbators and switched the attack to homosexuals. The last religious writing in English that interpreted 1 Corinthians 6:9 as referring to masturbation is believed to be the [Roman] Catholic Encyclopedia of 1967. 1
Each Bible translating team seems to take whatever activity that their group particularly disapproves of and inserts it into this verse. To compound their error, they usually do not have the decency to indicate by a footnote that the actual meaning of the word is unknown, and that they are merely guessing its meaning.
Conservative Christians tend to be very concerned about their own salvation and that of their family and friends. It is a pity that one of the behaviors that many Christians feel will cause them to lose their salvation is currently unknown. Many probably fear that they might inadvertently engage in the activity and thus having to spend eternity in Hell.
 
Leviticus 15:16-18: Go and wash:
Such items as blood, skin blemishes, semen, and menstrual discharge are considered to have negative magical properties by the Hebrew Scriptures (a.k.a. Old Testament). Touching a dead body was also considered to be very polluting. Many injunctions concerning these items were among the 613 commands which comprise the Mosaic Code. A man automatically became ritually unclean any time that he had an ejaculation of semen. Even after washing his body, he and his clothing remained unclean for a period of time. Some acts that caused ritual uncleanliness even required a temple ritual to reverse.
The following three verses are three injunctions from the Mosaic Code. The language of the King James Version sounds rather quaint today, almost four centuries after it was originally translated.
 
Verses 16 and 17 refer to a man's ejaculation but does not contain a reference to a sexual partner. This is interpreted by some as referring to ejaculation resulting from masturbation while the man is alone. The verses read: "And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."
 
Verse 18 appears to refer to a man and woman having engaged in sexual intercourse. It declares that both parties are ritually unclean because of the man's ejaculation of semen. They are both required to bathe. They remain ritual unclean for the rest of the day: The verse reads: "The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even[ing]."
These three injunctions are generally ignored by Christians today.
 
The meaning of the Greek word "pornea" in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament):
There are 32 verses in the Christian Scriptures that contain the word "pornea" in the original Greek. It is normally translated in the King James Version of the Bible as "fornication."  
 
In modern American usage, the English word "fornication" has a relatively precise, strict, narrow, meaning. It refers to sexual intercourse by:
 
two unmarried persons, or
 
one unmarried person with a married person. 2

 
According to the Strong's Concordance "pornea," when used in the Bible literally, includes the activities of prostitution, adultery and incest. Figuratively it means idolatry or sexual intercourse between unmarried persons. 3
 
However, most conservative Christian churches have greatly expanded the English term "fornication." It is to them a catchall term. Many churches and ministries extend the definition of "pornea" to include masturbation. More details about pornea.

 
God said there will be many false prophets in the last days. The Fundies are your false prophets. They follow Satan. God does not condemn homosexuals but accepts them into his loving arms. He even loves the atheist.

[rlrose328]

Oops... someone forgot to read the terms of posting here.  Sorry, sir... we won't be swayed any more than you will.  Thanks for posting, though.  :-)

[McQ]

Well, thanks for the long post, but many of us here already know what the bible has to say.

And just what makes the Reformed Christian International Church not a false prophet church? Is it the only "correct" one at interpreting the bible?

[Churchworker]

You might be a false prophet lead by the devil.

[rlrose328]

ROFL!  You are cute... you remind me of my crazy uncle Larry.

[Squid]

wtf?

[Dai]

Shit, I probably know more about the bible than this tool.


How abouts we have a good old bible fight?

[Whitney]

Should I ban "churchworker" for trolling and not being respectful...i'm thinking about it:

This will fix the real Churchworker by now who comes on our atheist forums else where and trolls. I'm really an atheist myself having fun at the expense of the Xians. As for having inner strength I wouldn't be making fun of theist here if I didn't.

In fact now I am going on some theist sites and really have fun dragging Churchworker's name there too. That will fix him for good.

Signed Oldjew at Ex-ChristianNet.forums

Christians are able to make themselves look like idiots without  outside help.

[Mister Joy]

Hello Churchworker! I'm intrigued by your perspective: by all means share away. I look forward to many in interesting discussion.

[Tom62]

I don't care what is written in the bible, nor how the different cults interprets it differently or wrongly.   I don't believe in the god of the bible, nor in satan.

[Churchworker]

Well its been fun pretending to be a Xian troll as Xians troll on atheist sites and I did it mostly for fun. But I expected to be banned but I am not upset because I am registered at several other atheist forums and am a senior member at one and even have three of my own forums. I am actually a very militant atheist and more than three quarters of a century old.
So little bothers me anymore as everything is a joke to me anyway including all religion and I don't feel a bit bad making fun of religion or its followers as I think they are all morons and complete idiots.

And I don't debate with theist, I make fun of them with idiotic prayers and quotes out of their buy bull.

And Catholics; "Hell Mary drag queen full of disgrace the land lord is without thee. Blessed are the fruit flies who buzz about thy womb. In the name of the Big Fucker, the Son of a Bitch and the Holy Goat. A women."

Hell to Mary full of disgrace, prey upon us winners. Oh bitchy mother of God have mercy upon us winners.

Our Fat One who are not in heaven, Howie be thy name. Thy king pin come, thy Willy be done in the earth as it is in New Haven Connecticut. Give us this day our day old bread. And forgive us for passing gas as those that passed gas in our face. And lead us not into hot temperatures, but deliver us from evil women. For thy is the king pin, and the power broker and the gory one, for never. Ah women.

Palm Trees 23:

The Lard Tub is on my shit list,
I shall not want any.
He maketh me lie down in green cow shit,
he leadeth beside the moonshine stills.
He restoreth the sole of my boot.
He leatheth me in the paths of the unrighteous for his stupid name sake.
Yea though I walk through the trash filled alley I shall fear Darth Vador
for thou are not with me.
My hot rod and my stiff legs they don't comfort me.
Thou preparest a filthy table before me in the presence of mine enemas,
thou anoinest my head with cheap motor oil,
in my cups I run all over hell
Shirley Goody Two Shoes and Mercy Sakes Alive shall follower me all of my days and I well dwell in the dog house full of lard forever (yuck!)

[tigerlily46514]

wow....i just converted.....

[Mister Joy]

Thank you, Churchworker, for lifting the burden of faith in humanity off my shoulders.

[Whitney]

Churchworker...this is officially your last chance.  If you want to participate at a level which reflects that of our other members then you are free to create a new account and start with a clean slate.

I may consider allowing you to have a special make fun of christians thread where you could say whatever you want.  But posting more or less the same crap in numerous threads is trolling and ruins the topics for those who wanted to discuss them seriously.  Consider this your make fun of chrsitians thread...I hope not to see any more junk posted elsewhere on the forum.

[a_jaynepayne]

holy crap did that person think anyone was really gonna read all that?