Religious Exclamations

[AnimatedDirt]

Gotta ask you this animated dirt...

Does holy cow or holy shit count? Is it ok for me to use those? I mean, some eastern religions might not like having me use the first one because throwing their bovine deity in the mix gives more power to my curse.

But holy shit... I need to know, am I invoking the power of your god's fecal matter to give my words power, or is it the all encompassing power of the collective deities' Hershey-squirts that adds power to my curse words. Cause I'd like to think I'm invoking the power of the dump of Thor. I mean, holy shit, can you imagine the size of the loaf he'd produce? Now that's power!

Whether you find this amusing or not, the point still stands as valid and the answer to your question is this;  When you say "Holy shit/cow", what are you meaning by "holy"?  Nothing can be holy unless God (or a god) makes it holy.  So...the question is...and the point I'm making/asking, is, what is the point of saying "Holy shit/cow"?  What makes using the word "holy" more of an "oomph", as has been suggested?  On what basis does any Atheist invoke the power of God or a god in their exclamations?  One would assume the true Atheist would not use "God" words to "empower" their speech.  Screaming out "Unicorn Damn It!!" is just as powerful isn't it?

I say things like that a lot when talking with my friends and family. Even "oh my science!" Sometimes I even yell "Kirk Hammett!" Am I invoking the power of Metallica when making that exclamation? Because I'll put the power of Kirk Hammett up against the power of your god any day, we'll see with one can drink a beer the fastest, which one can rip a piece of paper faster, which one has evidence for their existence, and to be fair, I'll even see which one can appear on toast the fastest (gotta give god at least one gimme). This notion that atheists are invoking some non-existent being to... I'm not sure what you're think an atheist is invoking something they don't believe in to do when using a religious term as an exclamation.

To be more to the point: your god is not the only thing I use as an exclamation, also my exclamations take many forms not limited to deities and irrationally labeled "foul language". Even if this god existed, using religious terms as exclamations does not change it into a state that is indistinguishable from not existing.

So you're saying that using Kirk's name does the same?  Let's see.

Kirk Hammentt Damn it! ...  Nope.  It makes me chuckle.

God Damn it!!  ...  Nope, that definitely doesn't make me chuckle and laugh at the hearing of a person exclaiming it.

I'm not speaking of simple "foul" language, but exclamations invoking God...specifically.

[Davin]

I say things like that a lot when talking with my friends and family. Even "oh my science!" Sometimes I even yell "Kirk Hammett!" Am I invoking the power of Metallica when making that exclamation? Because I'll put the power of Kirk Hammett up against the power of your god any day, we'll see with one can drink a beer the fastest, which one can rip a piece of paper faster, which one has evidence for their existence, and to be fair, I'll even see which one can appear on toast the fastest (gotta give god at least one gimme). This notion that atheists are invoking some non-existent being to... I'm not sure what you're think an atheist is invoking something they don't believe in to do when using a religious term as an exclamation.

To be more to the point: your god is not the only thing I use as an exclamation, also my exclamations take many forms not limited to deities and irrationally labeled "foul language". Even if this god existed, using religious terms as exclamations does not change it into a state that is indistinguishable from not existing.

So you're saying that using Kirk's name does the same?  Let's see.

No, I was asking you if it worked the same.

Kirk Hammentt Damn it! ...  Nope.  It makes me chuckle.

God Damn it!!  ...  Nope, that definitely doesn't make me chuckle and laugh at the hearing of a person exclaiming it.

They both work the same for me. There is no difference to me which exclamation I or anyone else chooses to use, except maybe in the case of making a humorous exclamation vs. not humorous. But other than how funny an exclamation is and the context it is used in, there is no difference.

I'm not speaking of simple "foul" language, but exclamations invoking God...specifically.

I made one tiny mention of foul language and you ignore all my other points to address that?

What kind of "power" are you talking about?

[AnimatedDirt]

No, I was asking you if it worked the same.

You tell me.  So far, at least a few Atheists have made my point for me.

They both work the same for me. There is no difference to me which exclamation I or anyone else chooses to use, except maybe in the case of making a humorous exclamation vs. not humorous. But other than how funny an exclamation is and the context it is used in, there is no difference.

In theory, they do.  But in practice...you're outnumbered.  The vast majority seems to think a "God", "holy", "Jesus" makes a better exclamation.  Your point above, then, fails.

I made one tiny mention of foul language and you ignore all my other points to address that?

Oh ok.  Sorry.  Let me address whether drinking a beer fastest makes one superior to another or the ripping of a piece of paper...ok.
Oh...and the toast test.  Yes, let's throw that one in.  

What kind of "power" are you talking about?

You tell me...what makes adding "God" to an exclamation give it more "oomph"?

[BadPoison]

I would argue most people would think adding Fuck to an exclamation gives it more "oomph" than adding "god." The word Fuck definitely tends to be seen as more shocking. Therefore, Fuck is a better god.

[AnimatedDirt]

I would argue most people would think adding Fuck to an exclamation gives it more "oomph" than adding "god." The word Fuck definitely tends to be seen as more shocking. Therefore, Fuck is a better god.

There...see...another Atheist giving a word God-like qualities in order to attempt to bring God down.  In fact you left God exactly in the place of God and instead lifted a word to make it seem equal in power.  In short, you gave God power by giving a word god-like personification.

Thanks to you also, BadPoison.  My point keeps being made by those opposing it.

[BadPoison]

In short, you gave God power by giving a word god-like personification.

Thanks to you also, BadPoison.  My point keeps being made by those opposing it.

Your point being that men give ideas god-like power? I couldn't agree more.

[AnimatedDirt]

In short, you gave God power by giving a word god-like personification.
Thanks to you also, BadPoison.  My point keeps being made by those opposing it.

Your point being that men give ideas god-like power? I couldn't agree more.

Not at all...it's men giving words power equal to God.  Their use of "God" when they don't even believe in God.

[Davin]

No, I was asking you if it worked the same.

You tell me.  So far, at least a few Atheists have made my point for me.

I've explained several times now why it works the same, so really, you should just answer the question instead of avoiding it.

They both work the same for me. There is no difference to me which exclamation I or anyone else chooses to use, except maybe in the case of making a humorous exclamation vs. not humorous. But other than how funny an exclamation is and the context it is used in, there is no difference.

In theory, they do.  But in practice...you're outnumbered.  The vast majority seems to think a "God", "holy", "Jesus" makes a better exclamation.  Your point above, then, fails.

My point fails because of an appeal to majority? Seriously though, my point doesn't fail because of your logical failure.

I made one tiny mention of foul language and you ignore all my other points to address that?

Oh ok.  Sorry.  Let me address whether drinking a beer fastest makes one superior to another or the ripping of a piece of paper...ok.
Oh...and the toast test.  Yes, let's throw that one in.

Ok, let's talk about them, at least those points were more prevalent than the one tiny mention of "foul language."

What kind of "power" are you talking about?

You tell me...what makes adding "God" to an exclamation give it more "oomph"?

Why would I tell you what kind of power it is that you're talking about? Alright, I'll tell you what kind of power you're talking about; you're talking about the power to shoot rainbows out of our belly buttons. I think that is very ridiculous because as many times as I've heard people use religious exclamations, I've never seen a single person shoot rainbows from their belly button.

[hismikeness]

According to Urban Dictionary god damnit literally means to damn to hell.

This is from a page back (I must've missed it...). However, I don't know if citing the Urban Dictionary as a source is going to lend credence to your argument. Afterall, it lists things like the Mexican Flapjack and Chinese Finger Cuffs on its site.

I won't provide direct links to either of those, because they are NSFW as well as extremely crude, but they prove the point of the overall immaturity of the Urban Dictionary. Look them up as you please, but don't blame me!  

[AnimatedDirt]

No, I was asking you if it worked the same.

You tell me.  So far, at least a few Atheists have made my point for me.

I've explained several times now why it works the same, so really, you should just answer the question instead of avoiding it.

Whether it works the same?  I answered in the quote you quote below.

They both work the same for me. There is no difference to me which exclamation I or anyone else chooses to use, except maybe in the case of making a humorous exclamation vs. not humorous. But other than how funny an exclamation is and the context it is used in, there is no difference.

In theory, they do.  But in practice...you're outnumbered.  The vast majority seems to think a "God", "holy", "Jesus" makes a better exclamation.  Your point above, then, fails.

My point fails because of an appeal to majority? Seriously though, my point doesn't fail because of your logical failure.

It fails on the majority of *YOUR peers.

I made one tiny mention of foul language and you ignore all my other points to address that?

Oh ok.  Sorry.  Let me address whether drinking a beer fastest makes one superior to another or the ripping of a piece of paper...ok.
Oh...and the toast test.  Yes, let's throw that one in.

Ok, let's talk about them, at least those points were more prevalent than the one tiny mention of "foul language."

My answer still stands.  Paper tearing and beer drinking are the litmus tests of superiority.  You win.

What kind of "power" are you talking about?

You tell me...what makes adding "God" to an exclamation give it more "oomph"?

Why would I tell you what kind of power it is that you're talking about? Alright, I'll tell you what kind of power you're talking about; you're talking about the power to shoot rainbows out of our belly buttons. I think that is very ridiculous because as many times as I've heard people use religious exclamations, I've never seen a single person shoot rainbows from their belly button.

Really?  Where is there record of rainbows being shot out of belly buttons?  You're obviously skewed ideas are making you believe something is shooting rainbows out of a belly button(s).

According to Urban Dictionary god damnit literally means to damn to hell.

This is from a page back (I must've missed it...). However, I don't know if citing the Urban Dictionary as a source is going to lend credence to your argument. Afterall, it lists things like the Mexican Flapjack and Chinese Finger Cuffs on its site.

I won't provide direct links to either of those, because they are NSFW as well as extremely crude, but they prove the point of the overall immaturity of the Urban Dictionary. Look them up as you please, but don't blame me!  

The internet is full of oddities...are you saying we shouldn't be looking at the internet because it also has somethings in it that are not 100% true?  I simply gave the UD as a source.  Being UD, doesn't make it wrong.
See also Damnation

[GAYtheist]

Animated Dirt...judging from what I've seen in your posts, and the fact that you are focusing on what you want to see instead of what we're saying...you're annoying, and I've decided that I'm not going to be responding to you anymore. 'bye.

[AnimatedDirt]

Animated Dirt...judging from what I've seen in your posts, and the fact that you are focusing on what you want to see instead of what we're saying...you're annoying, and I've decided that I'm not going to be responding to you anymore. 'bye.

Best wishes to you.

[Davin]

I've explained several times now why it works the same, so really, you should just answer the question instead of avoiding it.

Whether it works the same?  I answered in the quote you quote below.

In theory, they do.  But in practice...you're outnumbered.  The vast majority seems to think a "God", "holy", "Jesus" makes a better exclamation.  Your point above, then, fails.

My point fails because of an appeal to majority? Seriously though, my point doesn't fail because of your logical failure.

It fails on the majority of *YOUR peers.

It doesn't really matter which majority you appeal to: it's still an appeal to majority, still a fallacy and still not a valid point.

My answer still stands.  Paper tearing and beer drinking are the litmus tests of superiority.  You win.

No, Kirk Hammett wins.

What kind of "power" are you talking about?

You tell me...what makes adding "God" to an exclamation give it more "oomph"?

Why would I tell you what kind of power it is that you're talking about? Alright, I'll tell you what kind of power you're talking about; you're talking about the power to shoot rainbows out of our belly buttons. I think that is very ridiculous because as many times as I've heard people use religious exclamations, I've never seen a single person shoot rainbows from their belly button.

Really?  Where is there record of rainbows being shot out of belly buttons?  You're obviously skewed ideas are making you believe something is shooting rainbows out of a belly button(s).

I will not defend your crazy beliefs. You asked me to tell you what kind of power you were talking about. I asked you what kind of power you were talking about, you asked me to tell you what kind of power you were talking about, so I told you what kind of power you were talking about. Of course you could just say what kind of power saying "Jesus fucking Mary and Joseph sideways" has. You claimed that it gives the words power, I just want to know what kind of power it is that you're claiming it gives.

[AnimatedDirt]

I will not defend your crazy beliefs. You asked me to tell you what kind of power you were talking about. I asked you what kind of power you were talking about, you asked me to tell you what kind of power you were talking about, so I told you what kind of power you were talking about. Of course you could just say what kind of power saying "Jesus fucking Mary and Joseph sideways" has.

I have not defended rainbows exiting from a belly button.  Please refrain from making rediculous made up claims on my part.

I'm not trying to say what kind of power, I'm asking what power does the Atheist invoke on "God" when he/she uses exclamations that call on "God" and/or qualities/abilities that belong only to the Christian God?

You claimed that it gives the words power, I just want to know what kind of power it is that you're claiming it gives.

Well, I know why I think they are used as such, but the OP is of a different question.  THAT is the question.  Why do Atheists keep using these words as exclamations if there is no power in the word(s)...excluding "God" and replacing with "Unicorn", for instance.

The question is, why is "God" more effective?  My use of such exclamation(s) is based on my held belief...the question then is what is *your basis for use?

If "God" is non-existent or *you reject belief in...what makes "God damn it!" more expressive/an exclamation than "Unicorn Damn it!" (Or insert your god of preference.) and why?

[father nicetouch]

I will not defend your crazy beliefs. You asked me to tell you what kind of power you were talking about. I asked you what kind of power you were talking about, you asked me to tell you what kind of power you were talking about, so I told you what kind of power you were talking about. Of course you could just say what kind of power saying "Jesus fucking Mary and Joseph sideways" has.

I have not defended rainbows exiting from a belly button.  Please refrain from making rediculous made up claims on my part.

I'm not trying to say what kind of power, I'm asking what power does the Atheist invoke on "God" when he/she uses exclamations that call on "God" and/or qualities/abilities that belong only to the Christian God?

You claimed that it gives the words power, I just want to know what kind of power it is that you're claiming it gives.

Well, I know why I think they are used as such, but the OP is of a different question.  THAT is the question.  Why do Atheists keep using these words as exclamations if there is no power in the word(s)...excluding "God" and replacing with "Unicorn", for instance.

The question is, why is "God" more effective?  My use of such exclamation(s) is based on my held belief...the question then is what is *your basis for use?

If "God" is non-existent or *you reject belief in...what makes "God damn it!" more expressive/an exclamation than "Unicorn Damn it!" (Or insert your god of preference.) and why?

Hey, buddy, how are you doing? Look, we don’t use these “curse” words because we really think they “curse”. That is what society calls them. (There not politically correct or whatever the fuck!) And for what I have read we atheist all use them for different reasons. You have read mine. Now you say that the word “God” gives the curse word power instead of using some other word other than God and I see what you are saying there. You are right for some reason using Gods name in vain just feels better, but other than that it has no power! If I say “Jesus crucified backwards!” it has no power other than the pleasure it gives me in saying it. Because I used to be so afraid of this “loving God” while I was growing up and now I’m free of that fear!

But I have a question for you. Why do most Christians fine some type of meaning in everything? Why can’t you just see it as it is? The “word” only has power if you are pissed off or offended by it.

Oh, just a side note. Can you take those bandages off doctor house’s mouth? I think he want’s to saying something to.