Why Did God Have to Make Evil?

[Voter]

When only one person has to change it's a one way relationship.

Yes, but in the example both sides changed, so your charge fails. One side opened up and shared, the other started avoiding the word, and the first overlooked occasional slips. That's definitely two-sided.

I wouldn't call sharing that you want to kill someone every time you see a certain action then not making an attempt to tone down your emotions to something more more normal is changing.  It's just voicing your opinion then demanding others act in accordance with your wishes or else.

You seem to be blatantly wearing blinders to parts of my argument (as bolded above).

[Voter]

That was just one example. There are literally infinite ways to have made the universe. Many of them do not require evil for everything to work well. If God was good, he wouldn't have created evil.

So give us an example. Remember, though, that it's the creator who decides if the creation "work well." I.e., your scenario has to achieve God's desires in the creation.

[LegendarySandwich]

You seem to be blatantly wearing blinders to parts of my argument (as bolded above).

Had sex outside of marriage? That's cool, that's cool. It's your first mistake, I can let it slide, because I know you just slipped up.

What? You did it again? Ooh boy, you're going to hell now motherfucka!

So give us an example. Remember, though, that it's the creator who decides if the creation "work well." I.e., your scenario has to achieve God's desires in the creation.

How about where we can have free will but always do good? Or where we don't have free will, but that isn't an issue? Or where evil isn't even a concept?

[AnimatedDirt]

How about where we can have free will but always do good? Or where we don't have free will, but that isn't an issue? Or where evil isn't even a concept?

If evil isn't even a concept, I assume you mean the opposite of good, how then would "good" be known?
(sorry just jumping in)

[Voter]

How about where we can have free will but always do good?

We had that chance here. It didn't work out.

Or where we don't have free will, but that isn't an issue?

What do you mean by "isn't an issue?" That's too vague to address.

Or where evil isn't even a concept?

Same as above, or see AD's response.

[elliebean]

How about where we can have free will but always do good?

We had that chance here. It didn't work out.

If an omnipotent, omniscient creator had wanted it to work out, there's no reason it couldn't have made it so.

Or where we don't have free will, but that isn't an issue?

What do you mean by "isn't an issue?" That's too vague to address.

Too vague for an omnipotent, omniscient creator?

Or where evil isn't even a concept?

Same as above, or see AD's response.

Your omnipotent, omniscient creator seems rather lacking in imagination.

[Voter]

If an omnipotent, omniscient creator had wanted it to work out, there's no reason it couldn't have made it so.

There certainly could be. Try reading up on omnipotence. There's more to it than your simplistic approach.

Too vague for an omnipotent, omniscient creator?

No, too vague for me, which was obvious from the context.

Your omnipotent, omniscient creator seems rather lacking in imagination.

So do you.

[elliebean]

Your omnipotent, omniscient creator seems rather lacking in imagination.

So do you.

Why? Because I could dream up a better world than your god could?

[Davin]

Your omnipotent, omniscient creator seems rather lacking in imagination.

So do you.

Why? Because I could dream up a better world than your god could?

Yep. If you can't imagine how a universe that punishes people is evidence of a benevolent creator person who requires people to worship it yet is not narcissistic, then you're imagination is not that good.

[Voter]

Why? Because I could dream up a better world than your god could?

Obviously not, as I don't know that you can do that. So far your contribution has been trite and simplistic.

[elliebean]

Obviously not, as I don't know that you can do that.

Have faith.

So far your contribution has been trite and simplistic.

Your understanding of my contribution so far has been sophomoric and myopic.

[Cite134]

God is omnibelevolent, all-good, and omniscient yet he can't create something that can be all good too? Just doesn't make sense.

[Voter]

God is omnibelevolent, all-good, and omniscient yet he can't create something that can be all good too? Just doesn't make sense.

The Bible doesn't portray God as being omnibenevolent.

[Davin]

God is omnibelevolent, all-good, and omniscient yet he can't create something that can be all good too? Just doesn't make sense.

The Bible doesn't portray God as being omnibenevolent.

Yeah, the bible portrays god as a bloodthirsty, narcissistic, evil thing.

[Sophus]

So what I'm hearing is, it's okay to be an evil narcissist if it makes for "closer relationships". Do Christians suffer from some form of spiritual Stockholm Syndrome?