Brainstorm pls help me!!!!!

[Stevil]

Me and My friend from Turkey have talked oneday about god he has tell me something about god.These words have me impressed:


There are Computer Programs.There are Computer Programmers.Like Windows XP Programs.There are big Programs in the structure of the Cell because people look like their Fathers and Mothers relatives because of the Programs.There is a big Program in the Cell.Who is the Programmer ?It must be exactly god.



 What think you,what can i say to him to refute his idea??????
 PLS HELP ME

I must admit that this argument is in a brilliant structure, with this you can win any argument, your audience will be left in stunned silence, guaranteed.

Let me try

There are Paintings. There are Painters. Like the Mona Lisa. There are big Paintings in the structure of the Grass because lawns all looks like their Fathers and Mothers relatives because of the Paintings. There is a big Painting in the Grass. Who is the Painter ?It must be exactly the Irish leprechaun.

What think you,what can be said to refute his idea??????

[anthon]

I have asked my friend all these questions. He had told me an answer that should answer all the questions, he had told these:

Human being is a kind of Robot. Humans went to the moon and landed on the moon.
People made Computers, Planes, Cars, TV Systems. All the technology was made by People.

All the new inventions were done by human beings. If a Robot goes and lands on the moon.
This Robot exactly indicates an engineer.

If a Robot makes all the Computers and TV Systems . This Robot indicated a high level of technology. If a Robot goes to the Market buys Vegetables other things and comes back to the House. This Robot indicates an engineer  a high level of scientific developments. If a Robot makes XP programme. This Robot can’t be a simple one.

Enzymes and DNA don’t have any mind and knowledge how can they make living things?
Non living things can’t make living things (oxygen , nitrogen , hydrogen  and carbon )
Don’t have any mind any information about creating a Person .
They are blind and lame. They can’t make perfect things.
You are more clever than nonliving things.
Can you make a Robot which can make a computer and a plane .
Which can fly the Planes and take the passengers to the USA .
It ‘s impossible . But a Person can take them to the USA.
If  Robot  manage these things this Robot can’t be simple .
It indicates its technology and engineer.

If it possible for a Robot to make a laptop ? It’s impossible . Perhaps in the future it can be possible , step by step , not now. A simple Robot which can go up stairs and come down stairs  Asimo . Asimo has 35 engineers . If Asimo is X . A Robot which produces computers and cars is billions X . If X indicates its engineer once , billion X indicates its engineer billion times…

[Asmodean]

Double posted. You have already put this in another thread.

That said, if THAT guy managed to impress you... Then you must be very impressionable indeed. That answer was, overall, drivel. Uneducated drivel, at that...

[Gawen]

I have asked my friend all these questions. He had told me an answer that should answer all the questions, he had told these:

The answer does not help at all. The answer is not an answer that works at all. The answer is wishful thinking.

[The Magic Pudding]

Bill Gates had some excuse for XP not being perfect, catering to legacy devices and programs wasn't easy.
I expect more from a creator god though, I shouldn't get appendicitis because I carry the legacy of some herbivore ancestor.
Why didn't god's ultimate creation warrant a new design?

And how about Autoimmune diseases?
Shouldn't god be able to write his code to avoid conflicts?
Bill at least had some excuse, having to deal with aberrant software, god only has to allow for his own creations.

[TheJackel]

If 3 apples should fall from a tree by the natural blow of the wind to create a straight line of 3 apples on the ground, was the straight line programmed or simply a product of emergence of order from a chaotic system? Programs are simply arrangements of information to which is nothing more than patterns of matter and energy regardless of how complex they may become (this includes consciousness). A river flowing that produces patterns of waves did not require programming by some intelligent being to produce said real time evolving wave patterns. And there is a funny problem to your argument in that who (under your logic) programmed said deity? Who designed and created consciousness, information, or knowledge when such things are impossible to create when they are directly reliant on them for their own existence, or to even know of their own existence. Minds are not creators, they are at best processors and manipulators of preexisting information, material, substance, or reality to which they are equally slave to and bound to.

Just to be clear, information is nothing more than patterns of energy and matter. Information can be anything, and then claimed by some crazy theist as having to have been only the work of some magical creator. This is at best a failure by the poster of the op to understand what information is, and what basic programming concepts are. Though they seem very well trained in brainwashing and subliminal programming to manipulate ignorant or vulnerable people into their skewed ideological constructs. Very pathetic and dishonest tactics based on heavily flawed arguments.

[anthon]

Sorry,that i was late to write the answer that my friend writed. He have write these :
 
First Questions Answer:

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.
There is a program.
Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.
They can’t work. If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.
Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Second Questions Answer:
God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.
We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.
If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.
If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam. Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.
If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?



There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.
This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.
For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.
We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.
You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV. In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.


A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.
So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

[LegendarySandwich]

Sorry,that i was late to write the answer that my friend writed. He have write these :
 
First Questions Answer:

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.
There is a program.
Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.
They can’t work. If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.
Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Second Questions Answer:
God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.
We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.
If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.
If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam. Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.
If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?



There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.
This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.
For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.
We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.
You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV. In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.


A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.
So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

Prove this.

[anthon]

Sorry,that i was late to write the answer that my friend writed. He have write these :
 
First Questions Answer:

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.
There is a program.
Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.
They can’t work. If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.
Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Second Questions Answer:
God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.
We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.
If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.
If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam. Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.
If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?



There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.
This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.
For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.
We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.
You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV. In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.


A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.
So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

Prove this.

My friend said:
There is a program in the structure of the cell,because a son looks like his father or his mother , these indicates a program. If there is a program there must be a programmer who is the programmer in the cell??
These is the prove !

[LegendarySandwich]

My friend said:
There is a program in the structure of the cell,because a son looks like his father or his mother , these indicates a program. If there is a program there must be a programmer who is the programmer in the cell??
These is the prove !

That's your proof? I find it extremely lacking and unable to support your claims.

[McQ]

My friend said:
There is a program in the structur of the cell,because a son looks like his father or his mother , these indicates a program. If there is a program there must be a programmer who is the programmer in the cell??
These is the prove !

Anthon, you are going nowhere fast. Right now you are acting like nothing more than a bad troll and your posts are virtually meaningless.
Board warning issued for trolling.

[Heretical Rants]

Human being is a kind of Robot. Humans went to the moon and landed on the moon.
People made Computers, Planes, Cars, TV Systems. All the technology was made by People.

All the new inventions were done by human beings. If a Robot goes and lands on the moon.
This Robot exactly indicates an engineer.

This is a bad analogy.

What you're saying here is like saying, "This rock is a kind of paperweight. Paperweights keep my papers from blowing away and they look cool. Commercially sold paperweights are made in factories, therefore this rock was also made in a factory."

Humans are to robots as rocks are to crafted paperweights.

Humans made paperweights.
What made the rock? Natural geological processes.

Humans engineered robots.
What engineered humans? Natural selection.

[The Magic Pudding]

My friend said:
There is a program in the structure of the cell,because a son looks like his father or his mother , these indicates a program. If there is a program there must be a programmer who is the programmer in the cell??
These is the prove !

These is the prove, I love it, we should make a trophy and call it "The Prove"
It should only be awarded in special cases though, it shouldn't be cheapened.
Armageddon2012 seems like a likely contender.

Maybe something like this?

[Asmodean]

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.

Ok... I'll play some more.

Gravity is a crappy analogy to programming, but yes, gravity is a testable, verifiable force.

There is a program.

Nope. Gravity is utterly mindless.

Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.

Incorrect.

They can’t work.

Coherence fail.

If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.

Coherence fail. However, if a computer was to perform any operation, it would need programming, yes.

Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Knowledge and skill. Not pre-written programming.

God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.

Incoherent bullshit.

We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.

No. We can do without as a specie. Those professionals and kinds of vehicles (speak of lumping...) do, however increase the standard of living.

If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.

Bullshit. We were just right for climbing trees in Africa, but then we spread like a f**king virus to areas we were not adapted to. And like a virus changing its protein coating, we morphed our environments to suit our needs and support our increasing numbers.

If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam.

Yeah... And..?

Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.

Prove god. Prove that god can compare to a teacher. Prove that life can compare to an exam.

If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?

We can sell crap to each other.

There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.

Windows 7.

This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.

LOLWHUT?! That is NOT what it shows.

For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.

...And is the Antivirus programmer better than the kid who writes malicious scripts..? How..?

We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.

No, I can see my remote... And the TV. If you can't see yours, go buy one because you don't have one. You can't be blind since you are posting here, can you..?

You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV.

Oh, THAT! Well, you can convert the infrared to shorter wavelength and stick it in the visible range.

In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.

If you believe that, you are either on an intellectual level of a five year old or just need meds. Those "people" and "sounds" are basically "light". They are wave signals getting interpreted and converted by recievers. They are neither sounds nor people. (They can also be digital bt-wire. In that case, they are even less sounds)

A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.

Again, NO. Do I have to break down for you why a book-writing robot you use as example does NOT indicate a programmer..?

So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

No, "we" do not.

[TheJackel]

Sorry,that i was late to write the answer that my friend writed. He have write these :
 
First Questions Answer:

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.
There is a program.
Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.
They can’t work. If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.
Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Second Questions Answer:
God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.
We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.
If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.
If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam. Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.
If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?



There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.
This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.
For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.
We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.
You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV. In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.


A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.
So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

I knew you would try and argue this  lol..

Positive
Negative
Neutral

There can ever only be a positive, negative, and neutral:  phenomenon, action, response, emotion, feeling, state of being, thought, process, stimuli, position, ability, power, form, state, idea, choice, decision, view, reaction, interpretation, opinion, motion, pattern, selection, or piece of information. In fact these are the very same rules that govern consciousness, evolution, complexity, natural selection, or the emergence of any pattern you think would require a "Program" to exist. And guess what, magical sky fairy can't write that which itself requires to exist! Thus GODS are logical fallacies!

This programming thread is officially debunked And this argument is sadly the best argument theists have, but unfortunately it is also the easiest to debunk.