God made the universe look old so it would look pretty

[LegendarySandwich]

By the way, the placement of earth and sun is perfect. Any closer and we burn up. Any further and we freeze.

I wonder why.

Judas killed himself.

...What does that have to do with anything?

Please! Guys give me a "contradiction" that YOU know of. Not a link. Weak sauce.

How about an obvious one -- the Bible says that God is a good, just, righteous god, but yet, look at the Old Testament.

Also, the Bible says that God is love, love is not jealous, and that God is jealous.

[elliebean]

Another thing is the theory of evolution. If monkeys evolved, why are there still monkeys that breed monkeys? Wouldn't the species have already phased out?

Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved from a common ancestor we have with monkeys.

That might actually amount to the same thing, not that it matters for this discussion...

Species don't get "phased out". Evolution is not an assembly line at a manufacuring plant. Species become extinct if they cannot adapt to their environment well enough to suvive and propagate. The primates that are around today are sufficiently well-suited to live in their current environments.

Using the logic that monkeys shouldn't exist because they evolved into something else, one would have to wonder why more than just one species of any living thing exists.

[Sophus]

By the way, the placement of earth and sun is perfect. Any closer and we burn up. Any further and we freeze. Judas killed himself. Please! Guys give me a "contradiction" that YOU know of. Not a link. Weak sauce.

Yes, but how did he kill himself?

[LegendarySandwich]

The "contradictions" you guys choose are not even close to being contradictions. A contradiction would be if "the Israelites crossed the Red Sea on dry ground while fleeing the Egyptians" and then another account of the story said they crossed over on boats while fleeing the Egyptians.

So, a contradiction is only a contradiction if it's large and obvious enough?

[LegendarySandwich]

Another thing is the theory of evolution. If monkeys evolved, why are there still monkeys that breed monkeys? Wouldn't the species have already phased out?

Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved from a common ancestor we have with monkeys.

That might actually amount to the same thing, not that it matters for this discussion...

Species don't get "phased out". Evolution is not an assembly line at a manufacuring plant. Species become extinct if they cannot adapt to their environment well enough to suvive and propagate. The primates that are around today are sufficiently well-suited to live in their current environments.

Using the logic that monkeys shouldn't exist because they evolved into something else, one would have to wonder why more than just one species of any living thing exists.

Yes.

[elliebean]

Yes.

Sorry, the main part of that was meant to be directed at BA.  

[Sophus]

The "contradictions" you guys choose are not even close to being contradictions. A contradiction would be if "the Israelites crossed the Red Sea on dry ground while fleeing the Egyptians" and then another account of the story said they crossed over on boats while fleeing the Egyptians.

So, a contradiction is only a contradiction if it's large and obvious enough?

Oh, they're obvious enough. I'm assuming Bornagain may not have been familiar with the huge Judas contradiction and is now trying to find out how to explain it away.

[Stevil]

Big difference between being drunk and drinking.

At what point would god consider a drinking person has become drunk? Please define this big difference.

[Stevil]

Stevil what else gives us a bad name?

Why does Christianity want millions of humans to suffer in agony?

[Sophus]

Big difference between being drunk and drinking.

At what point would god consider a drinking person has become drunk? Please define this big difference.

That's funny because it takes science to determine that.

At least one of those verses doesn't make the distinction though:

Judges 13:4
Drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing.

[DJAkuma]

Judges 13:4
Drink not wine (from a box) nor strong drink without a chaser, and don't eat things that have been on the floor.


There, fixed it.

[hackenslash]

If you have weak Biblical knowledge then you have no leg to stand on. How on earth can you say there are Biblical contradictions if you don't know the Bible well enough?

I know the bible a whole hell of a lot better than you do, sonny. In fact, I wouldn't mind betting that you haven't actually read it.

Meanwhile, are you just going to erect the usual ignorant canards, like 'why are there still monkeys', or are you actually going to attempt to address the substantive and valid rebuttals to your OP? Oh, and I will come back and deal with the rest of your guff later when I have time to treat it with the attention that it doesn't deserve, but that is warranted by the other members here. Up to you, of course, but I would spend the next nine hours working on responding properly to those who have taken the time to raise valid and logical objections to the bum-custard you have already posted rather than erecting yet more inane drivel.

[Bornagain]

Ok guys. After a night's rest I am back! Hope you didn't miss me. Sophus, Judas hanged himself. Hackenslash, when you say God is love and love is never jealous, look at the love Paul was talking about. There are 3 kinds of love; Agape and Phileo, and Eros. Agape meaning perfect love. aka Godly love. Phileo meaning brotherly love. Eros meaning physical love. God is not jealous in the sense you are using it. God is jealous of people serving other "gods". Wouldn't you be jealous if your wife had her eye on some other man all the time? I have come to the conclusion that since you do not read nor believe the Bible, my arguments toward God and creation are pointless. I am not a hater of science. I just hate when people put their entire existence into science. Evolution, just like Creation, is a THEORY. Not fact. Neither one can be proven with science. God gave man the ability to understand certain things and certain things He has chosen to keep hidden. Most everything we need to know is in the Bible. Oh and the whole drinking thing; God told the Judges and certain people in position of leadership not to drink. Drinking is not proven by science. If you drink to the point where you cannot remember where you are, who you are with, or just lose most of control, you are DRUNK. That is excessive. That is like saying only science can prove you are fat from eating junk. If you are 5'5" and 300 pounds, you are overweight. I personally do not drink. When I said earlier about ruining a "witness" some of you seemed confused about it. To Christian's our witness is our reputation or our report with others. How can I call myself a Christian if I am getting drunk, saying something to someone that blows my chances of reaching them, and then waking up beside a girl I don't know? Not something Christ would have done. but then again you guys don't believe the Bible. So I leave you with some advice. Get out of your parents' basement, stop watching Star Trek, and go out and get a life. Science won't save you. Science can't comfort you like my God can.

[The Magic Pudding]

Evolution is just a theory, controlled breathing everyone.

"That defense is always... 'But evolution is only a theory'. ...Which is true. I mean... it is a theory, and it's good that they say that, I think. It gives you hope, doesn't it? That... That maybe they feel the same way about... the... theory of.......... gravity. ....And they might just float the fuck away."

Thank's Tim

[Davin]

Wouldn't you be jealous if your wife had her eye on some other man all the time?

I may very possibly get jealous, however there are two problems with this equivocation: I doubt my love is a perfect love, and I would not have a problem if my wife had her eye on a fictional person all the time... however I might be worried about her sanity. If god knows all, wouldn't god know that the other gods aren't real?

Evolution, just like Creation, is a THEORY. Not fact. Neither one can be proven with science.

"Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night." -- Isaac Asimov

Also, gravity is a THEORY. Not fact. Do you deny that gravity is real?

So I leave you with some advice. Get out of your parents' basement

Done years ago, they forgot to change the chains after a few months and I was able to break them due to the metal fatigue.

stop watching Star Trek

I'll probably keep watching some of the different series and movies, most episodes are not so bad and some episodes I really liked.

and go out and get a life.

Have done. However I fail to see how this advice is very useful.

Science won't save you.

I guess the new medical techniques, vaccines, food and other advancements that have saved billions of lives doesn't count.

Science can't comfort you like my God can.

I don't need comfort, I have reality.

Also, please stop preaching, it is against forum rules. Please, either acknowledge that you agree with the points made or address them. People put time and effort into addressing your points and telling you why they have an issue with them.