what are peoples thoughts on Jesus?

[Asmodean]

so there were lots of Jesuses.

Since cactus in plural is cacti, wouldn't Jesus in plural be Jesi..?   )

[pinkocommie]

I haven't read much evidence that points to Jesus as he exists in the bible being a real man.  I think that yeah, someone named Jesus who was a religious speaker may have existed during this time or probably existed during this time because of how popular a name Jesus was, but that would be more a coincidence than anything and I don't feel comfortable trying to apply this coincidence as any kind of argument for The Biblical Jesus' existence.

[Saracen]

Peace..

There was a man responsible for introducing to the public, a specific brand of jewish mysticism which would become Christianity.  Of course the Bible cannot be read as a historical text so the historical account of Jesus as reported in the  New Testament cannot and should not be held as anything more than a symbolic representation of something else.  Most who have studied the accounts of Jesus' life realize that they are stories reminiscent of other more acncient Man/Saviour/God accounts....Part one of the documentary Zeigeist does a pretty good job of illuminating this point.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pgRUpDDrb0.

Whoever the historical Jesus was, he surely was one of the most influential figures in the history of this world either by direct intent or by some other agency.

[PoopShoot]

Part one of the documentary Zeigeist does a pretty good job of illuminating this point.

No it doesn't.  Quite the opposite: it has enough inaccuracies and lies to diminish the reality of the situation by virtue of the "cry wolf" effect.

[Saracen]

Peace....


I was only speaking of the segment with dealth with other Virgin Birth/crucified Saviour accounts in other faith traditions.  I am not endorsing the entire documentary...

[PoopShoot]

I was only speaking of the segment with dealth with other Virgin Birth/crucified Saviour accounts in other faith traditions.  I am not endorsing the entire documentary...

Even that portion implies connections that don't actually exist.  Regardless, the bullshit in the rest of the film overshadows what accurate portions it contains, making the whole thing a steaming pile of dogshit.

[Gawen]

so there were lots of Jesuses.

Since cactus in plural is cacti, wouldn't Jesus in plural be Jesi..?   )

Hmmm...*scratchin' me head*....
If you were married to Bobbi....would that mean multiple Bob's...*chucklin*

[PoopShoot]

so there were lots of Jesuses.

Since cactus in plural is cacti, wouldn't Jesus in plural be Jesi..?   )

Hmmm...*scratchin' me head*....
If you were married to Bobbi....would that mean multiple Bob's...*chucklin*

No, it would mean multiples of Bobus.

[Asmodean]

No, it would mean multiples of Bobus.

Precisely. Now WHY would one marry not one but several people with THAT name?!  

[PoopShoot]

No, it would mean multiples of Bobus.

Precisely. Now WHY would one marry not one but several people with THAT name?!  

To guarantee their place in Star Wars history as the great-great grandparent of Bobus Fetus?

[George]

I was only speaking of the segment with dealth with other Virgin Birth/crucified Saviour accounts in other faith traditions.  I am not endorsing the entire documentary...

Even that portion implies connections that don't actually exist.  Regardless, the bullshit in the rest of the film overshadows what accurate portions it contains, making the whole thing a steaming pile of dogshit.

I agree. I thought Zeitgeist was toilet too!

[Gawen]

Bobus Fetus...good grief...*laffin*

[lundberg500]

I haven't read much evidence that points to Jesus as he exists in the bible being a real man.

I keep seeing this posted here about "not much" evidence for Jesus. There is absolutely NO evidence to support the existence of Jesus as portrayed in the bible. NONE. No evidence exists outside the gospels. Eusebius created a highly dubious church history in the 300s CE and there were some interpolations into the "Antiquities of the Jews" (Josephus), the "Annals" (Tacitus), and the "12 Caesars" (Suetonius). The few inserted lines into these three writers have been proven over and over again to be fraudulent interpolations.

I love pointing out to Christians about Philo. Philo lived from about 20BCE to around 50 CE which would have been right during the supposed life of Jesus. Philo was a Hellenized Jewish philosopher who wrote an account of the Jews covering the entire time that Jesus is said to have existed on earth. He lived near Jerusalem when Jesus was said to have been born and through the fabricated Herod’s massacre of the babies. He would have heard about the triumphal entry into Jerusalem by Jesus. He would have heard of the teachings, miracles, crucifixion, earthquake, supernatural darkness, resurrection, and ascension to heaven by Jesus. But in all the copious amounts of writings that he wrote and that we still have today does Philo say even one word about Christianity or Jesus? No, not one word. I have "The Works of Philo" at home which is about a 1,000 page book of his writings. Not one time does Philo mention Christianity or Jesus and he certainly would have if Christianity and Jesus had existed at that time. Christians have no answer for this at all.

Philo spread his Greek ideas to Hellenized Jews living in areas outside of Jerusalem like Alexandria, Egypt. These ideas were heavily influenced by Plato and Pythagoras. Philo taught the philosophies of the body being separate from the soul, the trinity, and the logos being the word of god. He called this logos the “son of god”. His Hellenistic teachings heavily influenced many Jewish and Gnostic groups in areas outside of Jerusalem. Philo wrote many religious literary works referencing the Old Testament. We still have much of his writings today yet he says absolutely nothing about a man named Jesus performing miracles and teaching anywhere.

The Jesus story came along AFTER the Jewish temple was destroyed in 70 CE. The Jews were forced out of Jerusalem and they were then scattered into Hellenized areas such as Rome and Alexandria. The wiping out of Judaism was seen in the Hellenized areas such as Alexandria and Rome as god rejecting the Palestinian Jews and a new covenant being created for the gentiles as god’s chosen people. The Hellenized Jews created the incarnation or personification of the logos as the saving messiah, the xristos. This is why the gospels were originally written in Greek. Hellenized Greek speaking writers living away from Palestine wrote them, not Hebrew or Aramaic speaking Palestine Jews. The writers of the New Testament used midrash of the Greek translated version of the Old Testament to show fulfilled prophecies of their new messiah. The Gospels are writings that came along way too long after the events they describe and they give supernatural accounts of miracles performed by a man not accounted for in any non-christian source. The New Testament writers read the Greek translated Old Testament and then made their writings fit the prophecies.

[Gawen]

I haven't read much evidence that points to Jesus as he exists in the bible being a real man.

I keep seeing this posted here about "not much" evidence for Jesus. There is absolutely NO evidence to support the existence of Jesus as portrayed in the bible. NONE....etc etc etc

Absotively correct.

[Asmodean]

No, it would mean multiples of Bobus.

Precisely. Now WHY would one marry not one but several people with THAT name?!  

To guarantee their place in Star Wars history as the great-great grandparent of Bobus Fetus?

Ah! The great merc of the fetus dynasty... You do know he gets aborted in the course of one of the movies, right..? Very horrifying to them pro-lifers.