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Started by Cite134, October 21, 2010, 12:06:29 AM

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Quote from: "chrome"Would be quite interesting to see what your response was  :bananacolor:

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I've seen this too many times before. I know I wasn't tagged, but I will comment anyways.
First of all:

"Atheism" is a default position. You learn about the concept of god in life through other people, it isn't even innate knowledge.

..."If you created yourself, then you must have existed prior to you creating yourself, but that simply cannot be"

This is correct. It is also a problem for the supposed diety. Especially the Christian one. Your god would be bounded by such laws as well. By the way, philosophical ponderings is far from evidence of an intellectual deity responsible for existence. There are a number of different possible reasons why this universe is here. NO ONE KNOWS. It would be best to suspend judgement instead of going with bald assertions. When it comes to philosophy and the existentials of our reality, anything is possible.

Also, here are a few problems I see with the attributions of your god.

"He must be timeless and changeless (He created time)".

If he was indeed 'timeless', how do you start to create something? Did he create himself and this universe at the same exact time? How does that work exactly?
Moreover, if we observe the bible from the OT from the NT, we can perfectly see how he isn't completely timeless. He changes ways all the time.

"He must be immaterial because He transcends space/physical."

If he is immaterial and transcends space/physical, how does he communicate with the physical? And, again, how can he start to create something. Creation requires time, and if he's above our space (which coexists with time), then you cannot create. Furtheremore, what exists that is immaterial? How could you make such an assertion?

An atheist needs to support his/her position? What claim? Absurd. Here is what atheism is. It is the rejection of the theistic "claim". That is it. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Theist: A God exists.
Atheist: Do you have any evidence that he does?
Theist: How else do you suppose all of this got here.
Atheist: I have no idea.
Theist: IT was god!

This is an argument from ignorance. No human on this entire planet has any idea how or why this universe got here. Last time I checked, atheists make no such claim on how it got here.A theist is the one making the assertion that such a deity exists, so evidence needs to be provided. The bible was written by...MEN. Unless these men had superpowers, I have no idea how they acquired such valuable information about the whole state of existence. If this god somehow telepathically commnunicated with them, then "he" should be doing the same thing now. If that's the case, he should be able to scientifically explain to a human exactly how the universe was created. As of now, I don't think no human has.See More
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan.

Sophus

Does the poster believe in evolution? The plausibility of M-theory? Or that God created the universe in seven days and performs miracles defying the laws he made?

I find that the reasonable Christians, who believe like above, have actually turned their religion into Deism.
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

Cite134

Quote from: "Sophus"Does the poster believe in evolution? The plausibility of M-theory? Or that God created the universe in seven days and performs miracles defying the laws he made?

I find that the reasonable Christians, who believe like above, have actually turned their religion into Deism.


I am not even sure. He just created this page on one of his notes. I saw it on the news feed, and decided to respond.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan.

DropLogic

Quote from: "Cite134"
Quote from: "Sophus"Does the poster believe in evolution? The plausibility of M-theory? Or that God created the universe in seven days and performs miracles defying the laws he made?

I find that the reasonable Christians, who believe like above, have actually turned their religion into Deism.


I am not even sure. He just created this page on one of his notes. I saw it on the news feed, and decided to respond.
Can anyone post to this page? Or just friends of friends or members?
I feel like the overwhelming intellect found on HAF could do the world a great service by dismantling this person on his own page...if its popularity warrants such attention.

Cite134

Quote from: "DropLogic"
Quote from: "Cite134"
Quote from: "Sophus"Does the poster believe in evolution? The plausibility of M-theory? Or that God created the universe in seven days and performs miracles defying the laws he made?

I find that the reasonable Christians, who believe like above, have actually turned their religion into Deism.


I am not even sure. He just created this page on one of his notes. I saw it on the news feed, and decided to respond.

Can anyone post to this page? Or just friends of friends or members?
I feel like the overwhelming intellect found on HAF could do the world a great service by dismantling this person on his own page...if its popularity warrants such attention.

If you have a FB account, I think you can. I am not really sure because I don't know exactly how it works. He posted it on one of his notes. To be honest, I don't even think much people are interested in his 'arguments'.  :P
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan.