Atheists: How can you prove God does not exist

[The Magic Pudding]

Do you think that an otherwise good person who has faith in Christ is dangerous?
If you do, could you please explain why?

Before I say anything more, I'm just me, I don't know much.

I think Christianity can help people to be good.
I don't live in the US, but people there say religious weirdness reigns in some regions.
Families are split over religious issues.

I think there are Christians who are better people than me in many ways, they risk their lives, time and money helping others.
Someone who believes the world is 6000 years old and all that crap are beyond my understanding, are they dangerous? maybe.

thanks for the reply.  

If I understand correctly, the answer to my first question is "maybe".  

Do u have any opinions on the second part?

Potential Dangers SOME Christians offer to the rest of us.

Galileo look again they don't really move do they?.
Darwin keep that theory in the draw.
We are all going to heaven (everyone that matters)
The earth doesn't matter, take what you want.
Brother Loon says the scientists are up to no good,
let's stamp on that stem cell research.
The Pope says God says people should breed and die like rats, no birth control.
Let millions of Africans die of AIDS because condoms are evil.
A free thinker in small town the USA, ostracised by all.
Children rejected by families because they can't believe.
Elect an idiot president wearing the mask of belief.
Marching off to war without questioning why.

[Asmodean]

Galileo look again they don't really move do they?.
Darwin keep that theory in the draw.
We are all going to heaven (everyone that matters)
The earth doesn't matter, take what you want.
Brother Loon says the scientists are up to no good,
let's stamp on that stem cell research.
The Pope says God says people should breed and die like rats, no birth control.
Let millions of Africans die of AIDS because condoms are evil.
A free thinker in small town the USA, ostracised by all.
Children rejected by families because they can't believe.
Elect an idiot president wearing the mask of belief.
Marching off to war without questioning why.

Add abusing children who are too young to voice a protest in the name of religion.

[humblesmurph]

Potential Dangers SOME Christians offer to the rest of us.

Galileo look again they don't really move do they?.
Darwin keep that theory in the draw.
We are all going to heaven (everyone that matters)
The earth doesn't matter, take what you want.
Brother Loon says the scientists are up to no good,
let's stamp on that stem cell research.
The Pope says God says people should breed and die like rats, no birth control.
Let millions of Africans die of AIDS because condoms are evil.
A free thinker in small town the USA, ostracised by all.
Children rejected by families because they can't believe.
Elect an idiot president wearing the mask of belief.
Marching off to war without questioning why.

Good points all.  The first one was particularly funny.  The last one particularly sad. I agree that all of these things are bad and are the direct result of Christianity.  However, I think you would agree that one can retain their faith and still come down on the side of reason on most of the issues you listed.   Mr. Obama would be just one example.  

We agree that some Christians are dangerous.  By definition, it seems we also agree that some are not.  I think we would also agree that some atheists are dangerous and some are not.  I recognize the key distinction:   atrocities aren't committed under the flag of Atheism, while much harm is done in the name of Christ.

That said, I don't think we've shown that there is any danger in faith itself.  A Christian can give up his faith and still be guilty of the moral relativism, evilness, and downright stupidity represented on your list.

[Bob T]

Our current troll says entry to heaven is gained by belief, good deeds don't come into it.
What could be more dangerous than that?  

Sliding naked down a 20 meter razor blade into a boiling vat of concentrated hydrochloric acid.

 

How about sliding down a giant sword onto a bed of spikes....The Long Ships with Richard Widmark...
About the 4 minute point if your in a hurry...

[youtube:2xgdjaep]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AETyNpe4LE[/youtube:2xgdjaep]

[Whitney]

But what if you're wrong?

PC4lf,

But...what if YOU are wrong?

I can think of a pretty long list of gods who would be really pissed off at you for being Catholic and the odds of them being real are no better than the odds of the Catholic view of God being real since none of them have any supporting evidence aside from hearsay and old books.

Do you see why your question is moot?  Btw, that's called pascal's wager...philosophers who are worth their salt don't use it anymore but you can do a wiki search on "pascal's wager" to pull up info on what it is and also why it is faulty.

[Whitney]

You guys are overthinking it. Faith is simple. God is simple.

Let this be your friendly reminder that preaching is against HAF forum rules because we want to encourage productive discussions between members rather than just be a bulletin board for thoughts.  Rules --->  viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1522

[Whitney]

To everyone,

While I realize the OP has posted comments which are the typical fodder of trolls; I think it's best to reserve calling someone a Troll for when it has become apparent that they are purposely baiting people just to get an emotional response out of them.  The OP may just be someone who hasn't thought about these questions yet...please keep that in mind for now till we have a better history of posts to determine if the OP cares to discuss or not.  Thanks!

[Martin TK]

You don't go to heaven if you're good. You go if you believe. Don't underestimate belief. Belief can move mountains.

I understand that only too well.  Which is why I said, "...plenty of vicious swine will be going to heaven, and plenty of fine, otherwise good people will be going to hell."

NO evidence exists that any mountain has ever been moved, certainly not by belief.  I think it's not so much that atheist underestimate belief, as it is that Christians overestimate this thing called belief.

[Bob T]

You don't go to heaven if you're good. You go if you believe. Don't underestimate belief. Belief can move mountains.

I understand that only too well.  Which is why I said, "...plenty of vicious swine will be going to heaven, and plenty of fine, otherwise good people will be going to hell."

NO evidence exists that any mountain has ever been moved, certainly not by belief.  I think it's not so much that atheist underestimate belief, as it is that Christians overestimate this thing called belief.

Theists don't just overestimate belief....They rely on it, depend on it.  Without it, they have nothing.  So they have to support it completely.

[The Magic Pudding]

That said, I don't think we've shown that there is any danger in faith itself.  A Christian can give up his faith and still be guilty of the moral relativism, evilness, and downright stupidity represented on your list.

We will have to agree to disagree here, I think there is danger in faith.
If war, disease and the persecution of scientists don't convince you I don't know what to do.
Would dropping a bible on your toe do it?

My list hasn't included guilt and the fear of hell.  
This does people a lot of damage.
In The God Delusion Dawkins talks to psychologists who compare its effect to sexual abuse.

[philosoraptor]

I kind of get the feeling the Op won't be coming back anyway, but perhaps that's just me.

[Tank]

{snip}There is no shortage of bile-spewing atheist fora around; I'd like to think that atheists who join and stay at this one do so because they prefer something different.

That's why I joined here, I'm fed up with self-satisfied atheists who see the theist before the person. I must confess it has not been easy but I'm getting better at it.

[Tank]

I kind of get the feeling the Op won't be coming back anyway, but perhaps that's just me.

I think you may be right as one got the feeling of a young person testing their wings and expecting to fly in a clear blue sky while instead arriving at a wall of mostly polite and accurate ack ack fire.

[Heretical Rants]

There are people in this world (especially younger ones, and especially in the US) who've had practically no contact with atheists.  Some of them may be curious just what type of people are they who would reject a "just and loving God."  They might even go so far as to join an atheist forum with a name that doesn't seem too threatening to satisfy their curiosity.  Such a person would be indistinguishable from pc4lf.  

If I were such a person I would have already given up on this forum.

[pc4lf]

I'd like to thank all of you who took the time to answer my questions with honest thought-out answers. I'm still looking for answers, but I hope to find some.

I was born and raised in a small town, and have not had much contact with atheists. That does not make me simple.