Evidence VS the Theistic mindset

[The Black Jester]

That doesn't however change that fact that many atheists do it.

"Many," even if true, does not necessarily include Thumpalumpacus.  You do not know him.  And I said the same charge could be levelled at the believer, I did not say it would be a more fair an accusation.  My attempt was to demonstrate how fallacious it would be to make such a blanket statement about specific individuals whom I have never met, and with whom I have never conversed in any other context.

[Filanthropod]

That doesn't however change that fact that many atheists do it.

"Many," even if true, does not necessarily include Thumpalumpacus.  You do not know him.  And I said the same charge could be levelled at the believer, I did not say it would be a more fair an accusation.  My attempt was to demonstrate how fallacious it would be to make such a blanket statement about specific individuals whom I have never met, and with whom I have never conversed in any other context.

Ok, so I'll rephrase. Many people overall spend their lives merely reinforcing to themselves their already existing views, and have no honest interest in questioning them or seeking evidence either way. All they want to do is feel that they are always right, and ridicule others. Many people overall do this.

[The Black Jester]

That doesn't however change that fact that many atheists do it.

"Many," even if true, does not necessarily include Thumpalumpacus.  You do not know him.  And I said the same charge could be levelled at the believer, I did not say it would be a more fair an accusation.  My attempt was to demonstrate how fallacious it would be to make such a blanket statement about specific individuals whom I have never met, and with whom I have never conversed in any other context.

Ok, so I'll rephrase. Many people overall spend their lives merely reinforcing to themselves their already existing views, and have no honest interest in questioning them or seeking evidence either way. All they want to do is feel that they are always right, and ridicule others. Many people overall do this.

Personally, I've found that to be the case with some people I've met, and with myself at certain points in my life, but I've met many people who are very open to changing their minds about many things.  I myself have had a few changes of mind on these matters, the more I investigated particular lines of evidence and modes of thinking.

[Gawen]

Why do atheists ask theists for evidence of something which atheists have already filtered out as a possibility? If you genuinely really want evidence, you should seek it yourself.

Because theists say they have evidence. The problem is that all the evidence to date isn't good enough. So we ask them to trot out their gods so we can have a look at them...maybe even ask a few questions. But no gods show up. Hell, we can't even get a dead saint to say anything.

If you have a good look and you can't find any, then carry on not believing.

We do.

But asking theists for evidence isn't really being honest because when the question is asked the motives are usually ridicule rather than really wanting to see evidence.

That is not entirely true. Yes, I'll agree to a degree with your statement, but when the theist isn't being honest, well, he'll get a bit of the same.

When an atheist asks me for evidence,what I hear is "I don't really want evidence, I've made up my mind already, I just want to ridicule you".

Very well then. What evidence of any gods can you share with us?

It's very transparent and any atheist who genuinely wants evidence would seek it themselves.

I am seeking it. I'm asking you. Present your evidence and we'll sift through it.

[Tank]

That doesn't however change that fact that many atheists do it.

"Many," even if true, does not necessarily include Thumpalumpacus.  You do not know him.  And I said the same charge could be levelled at the believer, I did not say it would be a more fair an accusation.  My attempt was to demonstrate how fallacious it would be to make such a blanket statement about specific individuals whom I have never met, and with whom I have never conversed in any other context.

Ok, so I'll rephrase. Many people overall spend their lives merely reinforcing to themselves their already existing views, and have no honest interest in questioning them or seeking evidence either way. All they want to do is feel that they are always right, and ridicule others. Many people overall do this.

Do you? And if not how do you not do it?

[Tank]

But asking theists for evidence isn't really being honest because when the question is asked the motives are usually ridicule rather than really wanting to see evidence.

One of the things that brings people to an atheistic world view is scepticism. If you think you have evidence for the existance of a deity post it here please so I can read it.

I prophesy that you will do one of the following.

a) Not respond to this post.
b) Claim some wooberish nonsense that I am incapable of understanding the evidence
c) Claim I don't really want evidence
d) Claim I won't consider the evidence, because I've made my mind up already
e) Claim you have no evidence
f) Make some other fatuous comment to wriggle out of presenting any evidence.

The one thing you will not do is provide the evidence you claim you have.

[Tom62]

I prophesy that you will do one of the following.

a) Not respond to this post.
b) Claim some wooberish nonsense that I am incapable of understanding the evidence
c) Claim I don't really want evidence
d) Claim I won't consider the evidence, because I've made my mind up already
e) Claim you have no evidence
f) Make some other fatuous comment to wriggle out of presenting any evidence.

The one thing you will not do is provide the evidence you claim you have.

or g) claim that the evidence is all around us, but that we don't see it.

[i_am_i]

The Christian conception of god is easily disprovable on logical bases alone.  But a larger conception of god is not, as you obviously understand, is not so easily done.

Interesting. Please explain.

[Tank]

I prophesy that you will do one of the following.

a) Not respond to this post.
b) Claim some wooberish nonsense that I am incapable of understanding the evidence
c) Claim I don't really want evidence
d) Claim I won't consider the evidence, because I've made my mind up already
e) Claim you have no evidence
f) Make some other fatuous comment to wriggle out of presenting any evidence.

The one thing you will not do is provide the evidence you claim you have.

or g) claim that the evidence is all around us, but that we don't see it.

Quite so, that would be under my category 'f' as I simply could not be arsed to go through all the winging whining apologetics arguments.

[Filanthropod]

No, Tank. There's no way in which I do it because I don't do it.

Do you? If so, how?

[Tank]

No, Tank. There's no way in which I do it because I don't do it.

Do you? If so, how?

Sorry that made no sense at all, please try again.

[KDbeads]

Why do atheists ask theists for evidence of something which atheists have already filtered out as a possibility? If you genuinely really want evidence, you should seek it yourself. If you have a good look and you can't find any, then carry on not believing. But asking theists for evidence isn't really being honest because when the question is asked the motives are usually ridicule rather than really wanting to see evidence. When an atheist asks me for evidence,what I hear is "I don't really want evidence, I've made up my mind already, I just want to ridicule you". It's very transparent and any atheist who genuinely wants evidence would seek it themselves.

You've probably spent those 35 years reinforcing to yourself your own beliefs rather than looking for evidence to support other possibilities. Besides, if you're satisfied after all that time that your view is correct, why bother to ask theists for evidence? It sounds to me like reinforcing and ridiculing. I don't think you really have any interest in questioning your own views at all.

See.... this is something I've thought on all day and it still pisses me off to no end....
You assume too damn much about people who do not share your beliefs.  Being told what I think, how I think and why I think it is incredibly presumptuous and altogether annoying.  You have no clue who I am or what I do or how I came to be where I'm at in my life.  I ask for evidence because I want to know if your ideas are founded in reality or in the fantastical so that I know how you think.  I don't care what you believe or don't believe as long as you don't preach to me or tell me how I need to think.  You don't like that?  Tough shit.  I came to my way of thinking by educating myself.  You apparently, gathering from a few of your posts so far on this forum, are uneducated in mathematics and science and probably a few other subjects related to critical thinking.  Whereas most of the rest of us are, several of us hold multiple degrees in the sciences you know so little about.

[Filanthropod]

KDBeads...Certain things bother you, don't they? You are incredibly bothered when someone, and not just anyone, but specifically someone who you disagree with, makes an assumption about atheists (and by extension, you). It means a lot to you that people, and not just anyone, but specifically people who you disagree with, understand atheists (and by extension, you) Why does that bother you so much? Why does it get up your nose? You don't care what I believe, but you care what I might think of atheists (and by extension, you). I'm a stranger, why should you care what I think about atheists (and by extension, you)? It seems a bit childish and insecure, doesn't it? I don't see the fuss. If someone makes an assumption about me, I find it very amusing but it certainly doesn't get me all hot under the collar the way it does you. Another funny thing is that you ask me for evidence for what I believe yet you care not what I believe, and simultaneously, somehow, you also want to know how I think. Exactly what do you want? Do you know? I think all you want is an excuse to ridicule those who you disagree with. Many atheists do that, I've found. That's not an assumption, that's a fact. You also have a weird desire to tell me just how clever you and your fellow atheists are. I am so unimpressed by your self righteousness and you self proclaimed superintelligence, you can't even begin to realise.

Basically, everything you're saying, which also sums up what a lot of atheists say (again not an assumption, but a fact) is this :

I'm so clever, please acknowledge that, I really need your validation
Look at me, I'm an individual, we're not the same (based on what I've seen ---> excuse me while I laugh my head off), please acknowledge my individuality!

Look, don't get me wrong. Some of you are quite clever. Some of you are brilliant at semantic games, especially with your beloved word : {A-The}-ISM. Sorry but I can't acknowledge your individuality as many of you seem to be clones of each other.

Again, sorry, but that's how I see a lot of atheists. If you don't like it, well...


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[Cite134]

KDBeads...Certain things bother you, don't they? You are incredibly bothered when someone, and not just anyone, but specifically someone who you disagree with, makes an assumption about atheists (and by extension, you). It means a lot to you that people, and not just anyone, but specifically people who you disagree with, understand atheists (and by extension, you) Why does that bother you so much? Why does it get up your nose? You don't care what I believe, but you care what I might think of atheists (and by extension, you). I'm a stranger, why should you care what I think about atheists (and by extension, you)? It seems a bit childish and insecure, doesn't it? I don't see the fuss. If someone makes an assumption about me, I find it very amusing but it certainly doesn't get me all hot under the collar the way it does you. Another funny thing is that you ask me for evidence for what I believe yet you care not what I believe, and simultaneously, somehow, you also want to know how I think. Exactly what do you want? Do you know? I think all you want is an excuse to ridicule those who you disagree with. Many atheists do that, I've found. That's not an assumption, that's a fact. You also have a weird desire to tell me just how clever you and your fellow atheists are. I am so unimpressed by your self righteousness and you self proclaimed superintelligence, you can't even begin to realise.

Basically, everything you're saying, which also sums up what a lot of atheists say (again not an assumption, but a fact) is this :

I'm so clever, please acknowledge that, I really need your validation
Look at me, I'm an individual, we're not the same (based on what I've seen ---> excuse me while I laugh my head off), please acknowledge my individuality!

Look, don't get me wrong. Some of you are quite clever. Some of you are brilliant at semantic games, especially with your beloved word : {A-The}-ISM. Sorry but I can't acknowledge your individuality as many of you seem to be clones of each other.

Again, sorry, but that's how I see a lot of atheists. If you don't like it, well...


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Looks like the shoe is on the other foot (just pecause you didn't use one word to insult someone doesn't mean it is okay)...since I already gave you a verbal for sockpuppets you are now on official warning one for personal insults.

Have you not read the above posts? Why do you keep repeating yourself placing non-believers under one umbrella?

[KDbeads]

I think all you want is an excuse to ridicule those who you disagree with. Many atheists do that, I've found. That's not an assumption, that's a fact.

Again. You assume too damn much.  I do not ridicule based on religion alone.  And that is a fact.  

Furthermore you are the one on here telling us that we don't believe in whatever because we have closed our minds to your way of thinking.  You are the one with a closed mind.  And I still stand by my claim of you having no clue when it comes to science, scientific method, scientific theory, mathematics and basic critical thinking skills.  'Superintellegence' was not mentioned by anyone but you.  I am educated.

Basically, everything you're saying, which also sums up what a lot of atheists say (again not an assumption, but a fact) is this :

I'm so clever, please acknowledge that, I really need your validation
Look at me, I'm an individual, we're not the same (based on what I've seen ---> excuse me while I laugh my head off), please acknowledge my individuality!

Look, don't get me wrong. Some of you are quite clever. Some of you are brilliant at semantic games, especially with your beloved word : {A-The}-ISM. Sorry but I can't acknowledge your individuality as many of you seem to be clones of each other.

Again, sorry, but that's how I see a lot of atheists. If you don't like it, well...

As for what I want?  For people like you to quit lumping us all into one group and telling us what we think. Like the above bit of dribble.