the universe is designed

[Tank]

All the arguments are old arguments that have been refuted and are easily refuted.

prove it

He doesn't have to, you came here, you spouted rubbish and Davin, nor anybody is here, is a free tutor to fill in your ignorance of the real world.

[harriet_tubman]

Are you serious about your assertions or just pulling our collective legs?

yes

Moving on, if that is true...then you can only make your assertions based on what someone in a christian church has told you to say, or based on what you've read in christian-based literature. Correct?

i'm not a christian and don't believe the bible.

Answer these for me please, because it is absolutely useless to try and have any type of discussion until your background, motives, and education are sorted out.

only the truth matters, it doesn't matter how the truth is said or who says it.

my background is i'm american.  my motives are to learn.  my education is a bachelor of arts.

now, please criticize my ideas.

[Tank]

Are you serious about your assertions or just pulling our collective legs?

yes

Yes to what part of the question? Yes I am serious or Yes I'm pulling your leg? You can't even read and answer a simple question can you? How do you possibly expect to understand anything even vaguely complicated?

[Davin]

now, please criticize my ideas.

Your ideas have already been criticized, your fallacies have been pointed out and you refused to correct them. Which goes completely against this statement that you made:

my motives are to learn.

If your motives are truly to learn, then you would have taken advice of those here and fixed the parts of your argument that rely on fallacies. Because you simply refuse to correct your fallacies, I highly doubt that your motives are to learn.

Are you serious about your assertions or just pulling our collective legs?

yes

Yes to what part of the question? Yes I am serious or Yes I'm pulling your leg? You can't even read and answer a simple question can you? How do you possibly expect to understand anything even vaguely complicated?

Maybe it's yes to both: "Yes I'm seriously deluded and completely ignorant of what I'm saying despite me saying it with total confidence, but I'm also trying to pull your leg."

[pinkocommie]

Hahaha.  Wind never made a house, therefore the universe was designed and by proxy, god exists.

no, we have no evidence of certain random forces every designing anything.  natural selection is a separate debate.  why believe in something for which there is no evidence?  why believe that blind forces can design when we've never seen this happen in other blind forces such as wind, rain, erosion or earthquakes.

Wait, natural selection?  What are you talking about?  MAKE SENSE!!!  

I don't believe blind forces can design anything.  My position is that there is no evidence of the universe being intelligently designed, not that blind forces designed the universe.  Doesn't it bother you that in order to even have this argument, you have to constantly assert what people here believe, so that it's possible for you to argue against them?  Shouldn't that send up a big red flag of sorts?  It's almost like watching someone have an argument with themselves.

[Tank]

my background is i'm american.  my motives are to learn.  my education is a bachelor of arts.

now, please criticize my ideas.

Serious question. Do you have a physical disability that makes it difficult to use the shift key on your keyboard?

[harriet_tubman]

in answer to the question whether or not i'm serious, yes i'm serious.

Wait, natural selection?  What are you talking about?  MAKE SENSE!!!  

atheists believe that natural selection designed animals.

My position is that there is no evidence of the universe being intelligently designed, not that blind forces designed the universe.

the universe is either intended or unintended.  it is either the result of blind forces or intelligent forces.  if you can think of a third way let me know.  God is that intelligence responsible for the universe's creation.  all theists believe that.  an atheists believes the universe was not created by an intelligence.  if you want to call yourself an atheist, pinkocommie then you have to at least subscribe to the believe that the universe is not the result of an intelligent intention.  the only other option is that the universe is the result of random/blind forces.  if you can think of a third possibility let me know.

Doesn't it bother you that in order to even have this argument, you have to constantly assert what people here believe, so that it's possible for you to argue against them?  

if i'm wrong in what i believe you believe then please correct me and i'll be happy to debate with you what your thesis.

[Tank]

atheists believe that natural selection designed animals.

Atheists don't believe there is sufficient robust evidence to turn the God Hypothesis into the Theory of God. Atheism and the scientific method are affects of rational thought, while theism is the result of irrational thought. Natural selection is a natural process observed and observable in reality it leads to the process known as evolution which creates the variety in the living organisms we see around us today, design has nothing to do with evolution.

[harriet_tubman]

Tank, what's your definition for the word design

[i_am_i]

atheists believe that natural selection designed animals.

Maybe some stupid atheists believe that, but that is not what natural selection describes.

"Natural selection is the process by which certain heritable traitsâ€"those that make it more likely for an organism to survive and successfully reproduce â€"become more common in a population over successive generations. It is a key mechanism of evolution."

Lots of Christians subscribe to the ideas contained in the theory of evolution, too. You, I take it, do not. So that makes you a creationist, doesn't it?

[Tank]

Tank, what's your definition for the word design

Fuck off with the semantic augments, the last refuge of the terminally failed. If that's all you've got, you've got nothing worth listening to or wasting time on.

[pinkocommie]

atheists believe that natural selection designed animals.

I'll go ahead and add that to the list of things harriet_tubman asserts that atheists believe.  Why bring it up?  Does that have anything to do with my previous statement 'Wind never made a house, therefore the universe was designed and by proxy, god exists.'?

the universe is either intended or unintended.  it is either the result of blind forces or intelligent forces.  if you can think of a third way let me know.  God is that intelligence responsible for the universe's creation.  all theists believe that.  an atheists believes the universe was not created by an intelligence.  if you want to call yourself an atheist, pinkocommie then you have to at least subscribe to the believe that the universe is not the result of an intelligent intention.  the only other option is that the universe is the result of random/blind forces.  if you can think of a third possibility let me know.

I don't think the universe was created by an intelligence.

I don't think the universe was designed by blind forces.

I find it interesting that you yourself changed your wording when describing (yet again) what an atheist believes to me about the universe from 'blind forces can design'  specifically citing 'wind, rain, erosion or earthquakes' to 'the universe is the result of random/blind forces.'

Do you realize that my objection was to this:

no, we have no evidence of certain random forces every designing anything. natural selection is a separate debate. why believe in something for which there is no evidence? why believe that blind forces can design when we've never seen this happen in other blind forces such as wind, rain, erosion or earthquakes.

and not to your revision:

if you want to call yourself an atheist, pinkocommie then you have to at least subscribe to the believe that the universe is not the result of an intelligent intention.  the only other option is that the universe is the result of random/blind forces.

and why acting as if both arguments are the same is disingenuous?  Do you understand why it's impossible to have a debate with someone who is disingenuous because ultimately the debate is doomed to one side pointing out that the person is being disingenuous while the other person tries to argue that they're not disingenuous by...well, being disingenuous?

[i_am_i]

1. "Creationism is the belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural agency."

2. harriet_tubman believes that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of a supernatural agency.

3. harriet_tubman is a creationist.

Ergo, we are arguing (bashing heads) with a creationist.

[harriet_tubman]

I don't think the universe was created by an intelligence.

I don't think the universe was designed by blind forces.

pinkocommie, how am i supposed to debate with you if you won't state a thesis?  here's how our debates work.

me: you're wrong because you believe x
you: i don't believe x
me: what do you believe
you: i don't know.  

how do you believe the universe got here?

[harriet_tubman]

"Natural selection is the process by which certain heritable traitsâ€"those that make it more likely for an organism to survive and successfully reproduce â€"become more common in a population over successive generations. It is a key mechanism of evolution."

Lots of Christians subscribe to the ideas contained in the theory of evolution, too. You, I take it, do not. So that makes you a creationist, doesn't it?

as for creationists, atheists define those theists who deny evolution as creationists and those who believe evolution as IDers.  I believe in evolution i just believe that it is guided.

I am I, how do you define the noun for the word design?