Re: Are women biologically programmed to reward cruelty, evil a

[enamdar]

Are women biologically programmed to reward cruelty, evil and domination?
Of course any complaints that girls go for bad boys and jerks instantly labels one a nice guy beta males. To the extent that it is possible, I actually consider myself somewhat of an impartial outside observer. I was an omega jerk in JR and high school, and to an extent my whole psycho personality, worked and I had girls literally chasing me. A lot of it might have been self-delusion but some measures were objective. After that I was in nearly complete isolation in college. So I've never played the role of the bitter nice guy. I have NEVER done anything nice for a girl or anyone my entire life! So I think I have some claim to impartiality, and my position that my deep depression and heart anguish is purely on a metaphysical level.

I read a lot of PUA seduction Game literature. At first my logic was it pays to learn all tools of rhetoric, persuasion and oratory even if I intended to put it to different uses than PUA.

Anyway to put it at its simplest. In cavemen times women were just plaything **** slaves for the strongest ape. And that is what evolutionary psychology in chimpanzee and gorilla behavior proves. Now there might have been some brave women who defended their freedom to the death, but their selfish genes were lost to history. And the genes that all modern women have inherited is those who submit to the cruelest caveman with biggest club.

I don't know for me it is pretty hellish to live in a world where all men are sadists and all women are masochists.

According to PUA science male physical attractiveness barely matters at all, the only thing women find attractive is brute domination and sadism.

For the last year I've completely cut myself off from humanity. Who wants to live in a world of pure evil? Only evil is rewarded! Cruelty is the only virtue. What good is morality and ethics?

So I'd like an outside opinion do you feel that women are biologically programmed to reward cruelty, evil and domination?

Does the dating world going back to the new paleolithic age make life worthless?
Murdoch's theoretical journal which is the official ideology of America and thus the entire world has endorsed the evopsych worldview: The New Dating Game | The Weekly Standard

Now I'm sure no one will believe me, but this is NOT about me being a single virgin loser guy who can't get a date. More its about what kind of world we live in where evil is always rewarded. I can't live in a universe like that. Why bother to get a job and support oneself and live in brutal ruthless dog eat dog world of evil? My parents are going to throw me out in August since I wont get a job or school.

Its true I've always been kind of an anti-sexual puritan but evopsych just makes it more vicious. The Darwinian-Nietzschean struggle for existence means eat or be eaten, kill or be killed, harm or be harmed. I wish simply to neither dominate nor be dominated. But that is far too much to ask in this world on both counts.

I have no harmed anyone, except maybe my parents. My dad says I should be "altrusitic" and recover for my mom's sake.

First off my parents committed a massive injustice on me by bringing me into this cruel world just to satisfy that monster gene- Moloch.

Second them keeping me alive, is just their genes following their selfish interest to reproduce. I represent a major investment in their genes survival. My fall means a major decrease in their genese reproducing. So that is all there is to their so-called generosity to me. The longer they keep me fed, the longer the opportunity there is for me to pass their genes on. Granted thats a pretty miniscule chance for grandkids hiding and crying in the basement, but its higher than the chances if I starved on the street.

So what gratitude should I have to the selfish gene? The "altruism" in feeding and housing me is just the flip side of the selfishness of birthing me into an incredibly hellish universe.

Humanity wants to drive itself off a cliff. I listed my objections. Much wiser men than me have listed them in thick textbooks. Humanity wont listen to the wise men and certainly not to me. So fine. I have said my peace. Let humanity drive off the cliff, but I want no part in the adventure.

I feel nothing for disgust for humanity. But thats what the Darwinian struggle for existence. Brutality is the only virtue. I'm what the Nazis would call life unworthy of life. Even if your content to be a lifelong virgin girls rewarding "bad boy" traits still affects the world you live in. I could not be more repulsed by humanity which is why I have cut myself off in complete isolation for nearly a year now. Would life be better, and free of despair if I saw other humans as unthinking moving objects instead of minds ?

From studying evopsych I have grown deeply disturbed and hateful of humanity. A bunch of sadistic beasts, red in tooth and claw, angling for domination. I wish to never see another human being ever again. I've cut myself off for over a year hiding in the basement till my parents throw me out.

Maybe it be better if I was unaware of humans possessing other minds. If I viewed them as rocks, chairs, hurricanes, viruses. Then I would have no more hate towards victimizers and sympathy towards victims than I hate cancer or a hurricane. Or pity for a dead tree. Just look at humans as moving objects on the landscape.

Would that make things better?

Well in essence this IS about relationships. That is where evolutionary psychology is most obvious in daily life. While it is true I have no human relations, I'm still affected by the sexual stock market, the same way someone who owns no stock can be ruined by a crash.

Psychologists are humans like the rest of us, driven by the reptilian urges for sex and power and domination. There career choice is just there way of gaining domination in the Darwinian game. So I don't see therapists as some elite priestly caste free from evopsych. I don't want to be "fixed" into better being able to play the evolutionary game.

Since everyone here accepts the basic premises of evopsych, I ask how do YOU folks deal with it? Or do you all just accept the game, and try to be the winner? IF thats the case, then maybe your right and there can not be any dialogue between me and humanity.

I don't understand how the rest of humanity can endure such a world and assume its because they must ALL be blood-thirsty vampires themselves.

Although why glorify women as the victims? According to evopsych even when given freedom they will reward cruelty.

So there are no victims in this monstrous world just wolves eating wolves.

How do you endure this world? And what is your advice for me?

What good would having a girlfriend do me? Is the chimpanzee in me supposed to rejoice that as low as I may be in the hierarchy, I still have someone below me who I can hurt, torment, dominate and abuse?


I have no problem being driven out of the sexual marketplace. The problem is what "service" are we competing for? And it seems in the sexual market it is who can be the most brutal and cruel. Evopsych says getting a girlfriend comes down to demonstrating cruelty, domination, brutality, and sadism.


That is all I see in male-female relations and PUa science backs up my personal observations.

[Will]

I'm not a bad-ass and I get all the ladies.
/science!

The Game and similar literature is what failure looks like in book form. It takes one of the most wonderful experiences in life and tries unsuccessfully to boil it down to shallow observations and ill-advised stratagem. Meeting new people, gathering fortitude and speaking up, getting to know someone interesting, having them develop a similar interest in you, etc. is a big part of what makes life wonderful. It's the recognition of mutual affection and romantic interest with another. Or anothers, I'm not against polygamy.

[SSY]

The whole alpha/beta paradigm advanced by the PUA crowd does seem a little sillly to me, for example, they all, every last one of them, just so happen to be alphas themselves, conveniently. Also

Or anothers, I'm not against polygamy.

Slag!  

[Recusant]

Hello, and welcome to HAF, enamdar.  

Thank you for your post.  Many of the things you say reminded me of myself at a much younger age.  At about the age of twelve, I despaired of humanity for very similar reasons, though my analysis had more to do with our overall cruelty to each other in the life of nations and societies, rather than sexual politics.  Still, I, like you, came to have a deep feeling of revulsion, perhaps even hatred of humanity. My personality would not allow me to consider the obvious escape route of suicide, however, and I didn't want to live my life as a miserable misanthrope.  I resolved to simply give up on humanity as a whole, and focus instead on individuals.  There are plenty of good individuals in the world, even if en masse we are a pretty disgusting and despair-inducing species.  I decided to try to have a good life, for myself and with the good people that I knew I would encounter sooner or later.  What you say about women in general may have an element of truth in it; it seems that a lot of them are indeed drawn to jerks and assholes.  The great thing is that there are always exceptions to such general trends in populations.  Evolution depends upon variation, and we can see variation all around us, so in our example not all women are inevitably drawn to swinish boors.  Gird your loins, man, and give yourself a chance (many chances) to go out and find good people and good times in life.  They are out there, but you'll never find them by isolating yourself in despair and depression.  I have had some pretty horrible times in my life, but I've also had some great times.  Overall, I'm very glad that I gave myself the freedom (by ignoring my pessimistic mindset and just getting on with it) to find things that I really enjoyed, and people I loved, and loved to be around. I'm still largely a misanthrope, but I'm not miserable, in fact there are times when I'm actually happy!  Give up on humanity as a whole, if you must, but don't give up on yourself.  There are people and places out there that will be worth the effort.  What have you got to lose, after all?

[Whitney]

Just don't date teenage and sorority women and you'll quit noticing this as a trend.

female--->

[skwurll]

Huh, I'm in high-school right now and I haven't noticed it. The people that are jerks don't seem to get much attention from women in my school, they're mostly ignored. Probably because they lack basic social etiquette and tact.

As a counter-point, take me for example. I'm probably one of the nicest guys at my school, I'm academically talented, I may not be the best looking, but I make up for it with humor and a calm demeanor. I have no trouble with getting women to like me. (I'm actually a bit too good at it   , as right now I'm in a difficult position regarding two women I have no intention of pursuing a relationship with.)

I don't think women seek out jerks to be with, I think that rejected lovers simply label them as jerks because they're jealous.

[Whitney]

OH, i thought it was basically asking if women are attracted to the bad boy image....not jerks necessarily.

[pixiedustedd]

I think religion has programed women to be accepting/tolerant of the unpleasant actions of their "superiors" (men). I think that a lot of females raised by religious females , and females raised by women in bad relationships , who are not encouraged to think for themselves and question authority, etc , are probably more likely to think that it's okay to be mistreated by someone they think they love.

girls are encouraged to be romantic and submissive by a predominantly male society that was more or less raised to feel entitled to being treated more or less like gods, deserving of love and respect unconditionally by all those inferior to him.


i think maybe PEOPLE in general are programmed to reward cruelty and evil. maybe not programmed, but i think people are so afraid of evil, they'd rather give it what it wants than fight it.

[pixiedustedd]

OH by the way -- I find I feel two ways about humanity.......

1. Evolution and Survival of the Fittest requires humanity to denounce religion completely if it wishes to continue to thrive and move forward into the future of the universe.

2. Humanity as a whole does not deserve to move forward into the future of the universe. The Earth ought to be completely wiped clean of humanity. I do not claim my life or any other should be spared.

[SSY]

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LOL

[curiosityandthecat]

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but...

 

http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/forums/post-182153.html
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=113280
http://www.relationship-forums.com/showthread.php?p=292308
http://www.takethislife.com/venting/women-biologically-programmed-reward-cruelty-evil-40048/
http://boards.askmen.com/showthread.php?112679-Are-women-biologically-programmed-to-reward-cruelty-evil-and-domination
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=41967
http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/67086/are-women-biologically-programmed-to-reward-cruelty-evil-domination

[Recusant]

Thanks, curio.  

Meh, this isn't the first time, and won't be the last, that I respond to one of these guys.  I see that enamdar actually made further posts in some of the threads that he started with the OP.  Perhaps he'll be back here, as well.  It's possible that this is a genuine post that enamdar has shotgunned around the net, just to see what different forums tell him.  I admit, I kind of doubt it, but I for one will withhold final judgment.

[theTwiz]

i think women defy natural selection because if they only evolved along desirable traits that led to further reproduction they wouldn't have armpit hair amirite?
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[Recusant]

Call me a freak, but I think armpit hair on women can be very sexy! )

[curiosityandthecat]

Call me a freak, but I think armpit hair on women can be very sexy! )

Freak.   One woman who can pull it off is Amanda Palmer, though. She's a force of nature, I tell ya.