Life of Rabbi Yeshua?

[Sophus]

I always assumed there was a real person named whatever Jesus would have been named in that time and place who was a "prophet" and the "gospels" wrote about him and his teachings and beliefs years after he died or was murdered due to his radical ideas. just as any myth changes as it's retold, I figured the magical crazy parts were filled in to make for better stories. I only recently learned that there is no archaeological evidence to support that this guy was real but I also have no reason to believe he wasn't. Most all fables have some basis of truth which inspired them.

In other words it doesn't change my position on atheism and anti-theism one way or another, real or not. The stories of Jesus might have been inspired by true events just like some outlandishly fictional movies were inspired by true events but that doesn't mean the end product is anything close to real.

I think this is likely too since the authors of the Bible are so unoriginal. Plus we have the writings of Josephus on Jesus. Not much. But still....

[elliebean]

I can't vouch for its veracity, since I can't remember the source, but I've read that even the Josephus accounts were 'doctored' later on to make them seem more compelling, and that earlier manuscripts didn't even include one of the - I think - two relevant passages.

I'll be very grateful if anyone can verify or point to the origin of that allegation.

[kelltrill]

You guys might be interested to check out these books by Professor G.A. Wells. He comes highly recommended by Dawkins. I haven't had a chance to read them yet myself but they're on the list

Did Jesus Exist?
The Historical Evidence for Jesus
Who was Jesus?: A Critique of the New Testament Record
The Jesus Legend

[hvargas]

Jesus the men vs. Jesus The Son of God. Lets start with the men not as a child but as an adult whose is a carpentar. One question that I will asked is; was such a trade a good business? Lets say comparable to a doctor today. As the men he must had done a lot of work for some people that needed carpentry work, for which he must had charged them according to the price of that time. I will place such a men a little in the upper-class or a least not a poor one. I will also say that he was well known due to his trade. At the age of 30 this men does a 360 degree turned and decide that its time for the world to know that his the son of God. Enters the son of God mounted on a donkey ( may I say that next to the horse or a camel, the donkey can be compare to a an Audi ). From far and near no one knows this men for the exception of those that speak for him and describe him. Did a Rabbi by the name of Yeshua existed and whose story was replace by a more exciting story? Just how did the Apostle manage to bring into life the story of a men that only the last three years of his life are known. Those last three years are the one known as THE SON OF GOD. If one think about it Yeshua the men never was and if we go further the newborn Yeshua was never borned. The Koran speaks of Jesus but thats 630 years later, it has no evidence only what it collected from other sources. That will make the name Yeshua more a Myth than a fact, even if you gave it the benefit of the doubt it will still weight more towards the Myth.

[i_am_i]

Jesus the men vs. Jesus The Son of God. Lets start with the men not as a child but as an adult whose is a carpentar. One question that I will asked is; was such a trade a good business? Lets say comparable to a doctor today. As the men he must had done a lot of work for some people that needed carpentry work, for which he must had charged them according to the price of that time.

If Jesus was a carpenter I wonder what he charged for bookshelves...

[Sophus]

You guys might be interested to check out these books by Professor G.A. Wells. He comes highly recommended by Dawkins. I haven't had a chance to read them yet myself but they're on the list

Did Jesus Exist?
The Historical Evidence for Jesus
Who was Jesus?: A Critique of the New Testament Record
The Jesus Legend

Perfect! Thank you kelltrill.

If Jesus was a carpenter I wonder what he charged for bookshelves...

I doubt there are any reputable scholars who think he was a carpenter. A Jewish Rabbi/monk maybe... if he existed at all.

[andersbranderud]

One need to differ between the historical Ribi [a Jewish leader with rabbinic ordination] named Yehoshua â€" the Messiah - and the counterfeit image of Jesus.

The first century historical Ribi Yehoshua â€" the Messiah â€" was a Pharisaic Ribi [proof in note 1] and and his followers the Netzarim were in good standing in the Pharisaic Jewish community all of their life times [proof in note 2].

There is significant evidence demonstrating the Talpiot Tomb is the resting place of Ribi Yehoshua, his wife, his son, his mother and his brother -- versus NO evidence "disproving" the Talpiot Tomb.
 
I recommend the follow research about the Talpiot Tomb: www.netzarim.co.il; Click at “History Museum” (left menu);“Mashiakh.” (top menu); Scroll down to Talpiot Tomb Complex;

Notes:
1. http://bloganders.blogspot.com/2010/08/ ... ssiah.html

2.Well documented in the article “Discover the Authentic, Historical Pharisee-Ribi Yehoshua” in the first page on the website www.netzarim.co.il ; and in the ”History Museum” (left menu) of the same website.