Re: God or religion, which are atheists more unhappy with?

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Ryrge

did you just misspell your own name? or get your sn's confused?  

[Faradaympp]

Well, since gods are a fabrication of religion I take issue with both equally, first of all, almost all religions demand some kind of blind devotion at some point and have slowed, if not completely halted, scientific progress. As well as the introduction and continued practice of some undignified traditions, many times religion has been used to justify morally unjustifiable acts. As for god, many gods depicted by religions act in a manner unbecoming of an omnipotent/benevolent deity. I don't care how powerful you are you can't just kill anyone just because they don't believe in you. There are billions of people on earth who've never heard of me, that doesn't mean I can go around killing them as an example to others who don't know me. Anyway if a god gets in the way of science he immediatly goes on my bad list.

[Yrreg]

Thanks everyone here who is not for banning me, and keep up the good work, because it is a testament to your being tolerant if nothing else, for atheists pride themselves in being tolerant unlike people [sic] who know God exists.


Since people here can express their heart and mind on their desire to get someone banned, I think I may also voice my idea that judging people to be trolls on the basis of their messages, that rule should be banned from this forum.

Why? Because it is absolutely not in keeping with freedom of thought and speech; it is actually a fertile but foul soil for abusive discrimination against members, who happen to have opinions and views not contributing to your happiness index, no matter how civilly expressed.



Tell you what, happy atheists here and specially the powers that operate this forum, only keep one or two rules: no spamming, and no blatantly foul language in particular directed against any fellow poster here.

That should make your forum the most welcome to all men who love to exchange views on anything and everything that is of concern to humankind, no matter that it is not of the kind as to jibe with the spirit of the atheists' manifesto -- I guess there is one, of course there is one, with this number 1 statement of faith, we atheists do not have any belief in God or deities whatever.



Okay, now let me tell you, why you guys who are unhappy with me here are unhappy, because you are frustrated in seeing that I don't docilely accept your words as Gospel truths, but instead keep on saying nay nay nay to them.

Talk about you guys being against dogmatism in religion, you are certainly giving the lie to yourselves, for the fact is that you are also lapsing conspicuously into dogmatism.

Of course your dogmatism is founded on reason and logic, hahaha!

But other peoples' dogmatism is pure dogmatism, because they dare to say nay to your words.

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Coming now to the topic of this thread, God or religion, which are you atheists more unhappy with?

Actually you should be more unhappy with religion, as I have already said earlier, religion has to do with people who want to legislate you guys out of commission; but God, He leaves you all alone to do whatever you want.

Do you know that there are atheists who love to call God bad names and encourage others to do so, because that makes them so happy.

Silly.


I am sure you happy atheists are not into that stunt which is a most glaring example of being unhappy with God which you don't believe to exist.

Okay, what do you think about your fellow atheists who go for public and outrageous blasphemies against God all in the name of free speech and get a terrific kick out of that, hahaha!

Very silly and immature and infantile.



Ryrge

[elliebean]

Okay, what do you think about your fellow atheists who go for public and outrageous blasphemies against God all in the name of free speech and get a terrific kick out of that, hahaha!

So what if they do? They have the same freedom of speech as anyone else, and who does it hurt? Anyway, if they're saying these things about a god they (obviously) don't believe is real, clearly it's to provoke a negative reaction from religious people, whom we've agreed, have we not, are the real objects of these atheists' disdain, if anyone. I'm sure they have their reasons; and being silly, immature, and infantile, only makes it more fun - if not more effective.

For my part, I used to be mature but I grew out of that nonsense when I realized that, as long as my actions don't intrude on the rights of others within reasonable limits (ie. in due proportion to my own rights), that which makes me smile is worth doing.

[Tanker]

Gerry,

The reason so many are upset is not because you "don't take thier word as gospel". It's because you ask us specificly what we believe and why then totaly disregard the answer you've gotten when it doesn't match your biased view. We all have biases it's part of the human condition. However the act of asking for other opinions usually signifies a willingness to learn or at the least a willingness to accept that mabye our pre-question biased is not as complete as we would like.

You have esentialy asked us a question which we took on good faith your willingness to learn a point of view other the your own. Not nessicarily to change your point of view but a willingness to learn someone else's. What you have instead done is ask our point of view, recieve it, then totaly disregard it, then tell us what we believe. Thereby keeping your original bias intact.

If I asked you why you believed in god, recieved your answer, then said "Nuh uh, the real reason is because you're too stupid to understand science". If I held you to my preconcieved notion of your being dumb, regardless of you trying to describe what your faith mant to you and why you had it, I believe you would find it as agravating as many in the thread have found your continued obstinence.

Unless you can accept that the people on this forum will answer you honestly, that the views individuals state here are as truthfull as your own, any conversation will ultimatly be futile. You don't have to take anyone's word as "gospel" but like any converstaion untill a person proves themselves untruthful treat it as honest. You should give the people here the benifit of a doubt that they are being honest even if from your perspective they are wrong.

My 2 cents.

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Since people here can express their heart and mind on their desire to get someone banned, I think I may also voice my idea that judging people to be trolls on the basis of their messages, that rule should be banned from this forum.

Why? Because it is absolutely not in keeping with freedom of thought and speech; it is actually a fertile but foul soil for abusive discrimination against members, who happen to have opinions and views not contributing to your happiness index, no matter how civilly expressed.

not to get off track but you seem to have confused this forum with a democracy. Whitney is the admin. she pays the bills. she keeps the site running and ultimately decides who uses and is welcome to use the space she pays for.
should Whitney so decide to be a tyrant, a dictator, or just a cold bitch.... she has every right to because ITS HER SITE.

not to come across in any aggressive manner but it gets really old when people cry about freedom of well... anything on a internet forum. if you dont like it here i would suggest you post elsewhere. or enjoy your stay with whatever rules the admin should decide to enforce. even if they "infringe" upon your freedoms outside the internet in the real world.

[Albino_Raptor]

I am not unhappy with God. God does not exist. You can not be pissed at what does not exist.
I am unhappy with religion. I would love to see it destroyed. Except for in novels and fan fictions, because it provides an excellent base for kinky storytelling.  

[Whitney]

Yrreg,  if you say that "atheists are mad at god" again or in any way continue to imply that everyone here is lying to you about their not being mad at god you'll be banned permanently.  If you don't like that, just don't post here anymore.

P.S. only productively contributing members of a forum get an input on the rules.

[McQ]

Yrreg, you're like a broken record, repeating the same thing over and over. Do you not understand that atheists don't believe there is such a thing as god? How can an atheist be unhappy with something that doesn't exist? I'm not unhappy with the easter bunny or santa either. I am unhappy with anyone who uses poor rhetoric to make fallacious arguments and uses straw man arguments to misrepresent others.

Get your act together and listen to what people are saying, not what you think they are saying.

[Yrreg]

First, before anything else, please don't use that word lying as an accusation, and attribute it to me as if I am really in fact accusing anyone of lying, and please also don't say that I am lying.

Just say you disagree with me and I disagree with you.

Or you are terribly mistaken or I am terribly mistaken about you.

Because accusing someone of lying is to claim that you know what is in his heart and mind, and that he is into deception, fraud, whatever, but not in any honest intention to say what is his true mind and heart, even though to your understanding he is in error or not acquainted with the facts.


Just say if you want to accuse me of lying -- and I for myself never use that word lying on anyone here -- that I am terribly mistaken.


So if you think that I do not accept your statement that you are not unhappy, etc., just say that I am not observing your emotional mood correctly.




This is of course, this forum, is a private property and thanks for allowing me to post here.

But I am sure Whitney the private owner and operator here wants also to see that everyone is enjoying free thought and expressing his free thoughts here on condition that he writes in civil language.




Back to unhappy with God and religion on your part as atheists, you don't want people to get that impression from the totality of their observation of all your actuations in regard to God and religion, understanding religion as people with religious ideas and practices, and you explain to them why you are not unhappy; well, then don't give them any importance, okay?

On my part I will just say -- and you will continue to be unhappy with me -- that you want to project the illogic of any conclusion from peoples not atheists about you atheists being unhappy with God -- because God does not exist for you, but to my impression you are still emotionally unhappy with God.


There must be some poll on how peoples who are not atheists, at least not like your kind of atheists, look at you in regard to your being unhappy with God.

Anyone know of any such poll?

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By the way, if Whitney is around, thanks for not banning me so far.

About that temporary banning some time back, I guess you have now mellowed down a bit, and  you no longer believe in death sentence even temporary 'death' sentence on posters here who are just into disagreeing with your fellow atheists here, notwithstanding that some here might cry out for my blood.

Now, it will very disappointing if any atheists here should abandon this forum of happy atheists because they can't get the powers that be here to throw me out in perpetuity.

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Addressing Whitney, please don't ban me, I still have other ideas I want to explore with happy atheists here.

How about the idea of chance as the 'God' in place of God for atheists?


Is that a trollish topic here with happy atheists?




Ryrge

[elliebean]

lol

[pinkocommie]

You seem to be disingenuously confused about how your actions might be considered trollish.  In case you're being sincere, here's an explanation of why the things you say and the way you say them might be considered trolling  -

Back to unhappy with God and religion on your part as atheists, you don't want people to get that impression from the totality of their observation of all your actuations in regard to God and religion, understanding religion as people with religious ideas and practices, and you explain to them why you are not unhappy; well, then don't give them any importance, okay?

On my part I will just say -- and you will continue to be unhappy with me -- that you want to project the illogic of any conclusion from peoples not atheists about you atheists being unhappy with God -- because God does not exist for you, but to my impression you are still emotionally unhappy with God.


There must be some poll on how peoples who are not atheists, at least not like your kind of atheists, look at you in regard to your being unhappy with God.

Once again, you repeat that atheists are unhappy with god even though nearly every regularly participating atheist on the board has explained why this is illogical and an entirely incorrect assumption.  You also continue to assert factually how we really feel and why we're unhappy with your input on the forum, ignoring everything that everyone has said to the contrary in favor of your own assumptions and evident desire to be magically internet-clairvoyant.  

By the way, if Whitney is around, thanks for not banning me so far.

About that temporary banning some time back, I guess you have now mellowed down a bit, and  you no longer believe in death sentence even temporary 'death' sentence on posters here who are just into disagreeing with your fellow atheists here, notwithstanding that some here might cry out for my blood.

Now, it will very disappointing if any atheists here should abandon this forum of happy atheists because they can't get the powers that be here to throw me out in perpetuity.

You thank Whitney for not banning you, then immediately both insult her and insinuate that if you were to be banned, it would be because you were innocently disagreeing with a group of atheists and Whitney cruelly and callously banned you.  You seem to be willfully ignoring that in reality you are not innocently disagreeing, but rather ignoring our disagreement with your own uneducated assertions regarding our feelings in favor of repeating yourself.  Also, you seem to think that you have enough of an effect on this forum that people might actually stop coming here because of you which is a laughable and delusion of grandeur.

Addressing Whitney, please don't ban me, I still have other ideas I want to explore with happy atheists here.

How about the idea of chance as the 'God' in place of God for atheists?

I don't understand your inadequately explained idea of chance in place of god - can you explain what you mean by chance, by god, and exactly how you feel one could/might take the place of the other?  

Your own actions on this forum have proven that you are quite fond of asking ambiguous questions and then entirely ignoring the answers you receive in favor of repeating your uneducated opinion about what we think and feel and believe as fact.  I have no interest in your questions at this point and I'm not going to trust that you're anything but a troll until you start asking questions where you explain your ideas and concepts thoroughly.  Plenty of theists disagree with the atheists of this board regularly and are never called out as trolls.  The difference between them and you isn't some unseen atheist plot to quiet your voice here as you seem to believe, it's a difference between how you and those other theists conduct themselves.

[Yrreg]

Okay, let us all if you are interested go to my new thread on chance as the 'God' of atheists in place of God the maker of everything.



Ryrge

[Kylyssa]

So, Yrreg, which are you more unhappy with, atheists or reason?

[sarcasm]Although you deny it, I think you are emotionally unhappy with atheists because you fear we may be right.[/sarcasm]

See how arrogant that "sounds" to you?  That's how arrogant you come across.  You come across as patronizing and arrogant.

[Recusant]

Okay, let us all if you are interested go to my new thread on chance as the 'God' of atheists in place of God the maker of everything.

So, Yrreg, which are you more unhappy with, atheists or reason?

I'm sure that thread will be interesting, but Kylyssa highlights an issue that shouldn't be passed over:  There were questions asked of you, Yrreg, by those who took the time to answer your question.  Speaking as a member of this forum (one who's still reserving judgment on whether you're more than just a hard-working troll), I would appreciate it if you made at least a token effort to address them.  So, I will repeat the question I asked of you:

 

Which are you more unhappy with Yrreg: Atheist lack of belief in your favorite deity, or the ongoing discovery and understanding of the universe as a godless place?

Thank you in advance.