from silliest imaginations , to the most realistic facts

[some light plz]

a wonderful journey , at night my family and I  traveled and after 1 hour my daughters and son also my lovely wife all of them slept , so my imagination led me down in  vales then up upon mountains .until I found myself  beside my intelligent atheist friend and we are watching the film " Toy Story " by Pixar production company .

Truly we enjoyed watching the film , everything  is great , [ the story , the action ,the comedy , ………..] . I am one of the big fans of Woody and Buzz , their friendship was great . after  we finished watching  .

I said to my friend : I want to meet them ?

He told me : who ?

Then I said : woody and Buzz !!, I wana meet them .

My friend said : but they are not a real persons ,

So I smiled  : all these stunning movements and body Expressions , then you told me they are not real . you do not know nothing !!!

My friend took a cigarette and start smoking , and he told me I will explain it for you : woody and Buzz are 3d pictures , have been  done by 3d software and animations  programs . the programmers  studied all human body movements and our Expressions , then  simulations them on Woody and Buzz .

Stop , stop , stop , I said .

Who are the programmers ?are they something inside the computers ? why……

But my friend cut my questions with a loud laughing , I told him : why you laugh ?
He said : surely you have zero knowledge about computers .
Programmers are a professional persons studied 3d programs and simulations for many years , then they invented those actors [ Woody and Buzz ] . and it is impossible for computer to invent any thing without a wise person behind it , input the data and information to get an output whatever [ image , document ,  3d characters , ….. ] .

But the fool person is  always a fool  : I told him do you want me to believe that those actors have been created by persons  . please prove it , if you can ?

Ok , no problem , let us rewind the film to the titles , to read the computer's  group behind this genius  work . and surely he shocked me : when we read the name of 3d supervisor  his name is : XYZ .Immediately he said : this person XYZ is the creator of [ Buzz , and Woody ] .

So I told him : I do not believe this person is the inventor ,  until I see him by my eyes . then he must proves that he is the creator of [ Buzz and Woody ] .

But my friend became anger of me : it is not necessary to see the creator of each inventions . in this world many inventions [ cars , tools , airplanes , …………………… ] we believe that have been created by a wise persons without seeing them.

The next thing you want to tell me that [ Buzz and Woody ] does not eat or drink , they are not flesh .
Then may friend said : what a stupid person you are !!!! do you think they are real like human who has flesh and inside his body billions living cells , also [nervous system , digestive system , respiratory system , …………………. ] , Buzz and Woody are only 3d pictures .
 Ok , ok , ok . I want to have  the signature of Woody on my shirt .

Then my intelligent atheist friend said : I will never walk with you again , you are an atheist of Sciences and logic  , you are unable to believe that [ Woody and Buzz ] 3d pictures have been created by a wise creators . I wasted  my time with a stupid person . in trying to prove a very simple logic .

To hell this logic ….

[joeactor]

Ok, I think I see where you're headed.

Let me recap:
It's obvious from the traits that Buzz and Woody have that there is a human creator behind them.
Because they were created by humans, you think they are real.

Gotcha.

So, it's just like god then.
It's obvious from the traits that god has that there is a human creator behind god.
Because god was created by humans, you think god is real.

Yeah.  I can agree with that...

[Whitney]

I can go see, touch, hear, smell and taste( :hmm: What was the point of your posting this?

Ok, I think I see where you're headed.

Let me recap:
It's obvious from the traits that Buzz and Woody have that there is a human creator behind them.
Because they were created by humans, you think they are real.

Gotcha.

So, it's just like god then.
It's obvious from the traits that god has that there is a human creator behind god.
Because god was created by humans, you think god is real.

Yeah.  I can agree with that...

^nice  

[SSY]

Difference, if I wanted to, I could meet the programmers, ask them questions, even have a go at doing it myself with their program on my own computer.

Also, you let your friend smoke in the car with your kids inside it?  

[BadPoison]

Also, you let your friend smoke in the car with your kids inside it?  

Oh don't tell me you think cigarettes cause cancer - that's never been proven

[McQ]

Also, you let your friend smoke in the car with your kids inside it?    after that statement.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... ssation#r1

And to some light plz, I think you'll need a more fitting analogy than the one you've used here.

[some light plz]

What did I say !!!!!!!!!! from silliest imaginations , to the most realistic facts

because I believe Buzz and Woody are real  , then from the sight of buzz and woody :
It's obvious from the traits  that human has that there are Buzz and Woody creator behind human .
Because human  was created by buzz and Woody, you think human is real !!!

With my full respect to your persona :

The creature [ Buzz ] believe that the creator [Human ] has been created by the creature [ Buzz ]
Once again :
The creature [ human ] believe that the creator [ God ] has been created by the creature [ Human ] .

the silliest logic I have ever read , you became as a dolly which moves by threads  , it also believe that human who created it move by threads .

but because my friends unable  to feel god by their senses [the sensory proof  or Tangible proof ] then he is not exist , at the same time they are able to use [ the logical proof ] in many parts of life , but when the matter is God  then this type of proof will be disabled  , they throw it in garbage . [ I know why ? ]

please answer :
I am unable to see you , unable to hear you , unable to touch you , unable to feel you , also unable to taste you , for me : you are not existent :

by logic only :  prove for me that  you existent  ?

who did create Buzz and Woody ?

Who did create heavens , earth , all living creatures , ……………. ?

This topic  became very  interesting ,  inshaa Allah the next comment  a  Wheel !!!  


((51. I called them not To witness the creation Of the heavens and the earth, Nor (even) their own creation: Nor is it for Me To take as helpers Such as lead (men) astray! ))

[some light plz]

Also, you let your friend smoke in the car with your kids inside it?  

Oh don't tell me you think cigarettes cause cancer - that's never been proven

So Please tell me : if a boy  asked you : who did create heavens and earth ?
What would be your answer ?

Also cancer is only a way for  multi ways of death , they will die sooner or later

((8. Say: "The Death from which ye flee will truly overtake you: then will ye be sent back to the Knower of things secret and open: and He will tell you (the truth of) the things that ye did!" ))

[Whitney]

your post about the whatever and woody being evidence that people are real is a straw-man at best.

A strawman of what, I am not sure...no one here has claimed anything about woody meaning people are real  

So Please tell me : if a boy  asked you : who did create heavens and earth ?
What would be your answer ?

I would say "why do you assume it was created?"  And let the boy think about it more.

Also cancer is only a way for  multi ways of death , they will die sooner or later

I should give you a warning simply for harming the quality of life of your children.

[SSY]

What? No really, what? I try to understand the posts you make on here, I mostly succeed, but here, utter failure.

Also, I would say to the boy

"Firstly, we do not know that they were created by anyone, secondly, assuming someone did create them, I don't know who it was, and thirdly, who are you? Why are you in my house?"

[BadPoison]

Also, you let your friend smoke in the car with your kids inside it?  :twak:

Oh don't tell me you think cigarettes cause cancer - that's never been proven

You forgot to put a    after that statement.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/fact ... ssation#r1

McQ all I have to do is look at the ".gov" in the url to know that I'm not believing that ObamaBullShit!

[Ellainix]

I declare this to be "The Toy Story argument".

[G-Roll]

by logic only : prove for me that you existent ?

who did create Buzz and Woody ?

i dont exist. my posts are figments of your imagination. and the people at pixar studios created buzz and woodie, as your friend told you. i saw the making of the movie. i saw them draw them and "make them come to life" so i vouch for that.

 

Then I said : woody and Buzz !!, I wana meet them .

me too.    i bet buzz would make a good drinking buddy.

Also cancer is only a way for multi ways of death , they will die sooner or later

but asthma and shit like that isnt death, just makes life a lil harder.

[LARA]

You know, I tried to teasingly convince my 8 year-old child once that the world was animated and created by Pixar and Steve Jobs was God and she didn't believe me.  She just gave me this frustrated, exasperated look that I think you deserve right now, some light plz.

Besides, I think that WALL•E and EVE are far coooler than the Toy Story characters any day.  In fact in the Pixar universe, just about all the characters are cooler than the ones they created in Toy Story,  including the characters from the shorts.  Even that cranky little wench that plays the violin in One Man Band and Mater from Cars.

But this is a free country and you are entitled to your insanity and poor taste as long as you aren't a danger to yourself and others.  Have a good day.

[some light plz]

Well, if a boy asked me "Who created the heavens and the earth?" I would ask him why he believes they need a creator.

So if the same boy asked you " who created the needle  ? "  are you going to ask him : why he believes it needs a creator ?
If anyone  able to  prove that a needle has been created randomly  " no creator and without a wisdom" then he will be able to prove the universe has been created randomly " no creator without a wisdom "  .

Everything in the universe (define 'universe' as everything in existence past/present/future) can not possibly have been created unless that very creative force existed outside the universe.

Wonderful ..
Our difference in this matter about "  a very creative force " .
The Believers name this "  very creative force  " God or Allah .
The atheists name this "  very creative force " evolution , sudden , intelligent  Design

existed outside the universe

Simple example :
You are outside the world of computers  
Computers and have been created by Human  â€¦ these Mineral creatures  able to speak by " speaker " , to see by " Camera .  and to do many things , my question :
are Laws of computer suitable for human ? with other meaning : are the Laws of creature must be apply on his creator ?
human put and specified for the computer its Laws
God or Allah [a very creative force ] put and specified for human his Laws " nature Laws "

this is the problem of atheists : they want to apply the Laws of nature on the creator of nature and nature's Laws .
also the example of  : the dolly which moves by threads , its Laws are not suitable for human .
So God is over All Laws , because he is the creator of all Laws .

(be it a god or multiverse) I will refrain from speculating here.

I would like to answer this by Quran , but they will consider it preaching …
((91. behold, each god would have taken away what he had created ))
The witness at the verse is the creatures … so let us take a quick look at universe  
The creator is one , because :

1-   the whole universe has been built from one ore  by one plan : from Hydrogen Formed the  elements which have been known  in Periodic table .

2-   the living creatures have been created from a carbonic compound , also by one dissection plan ,  [ in the frog  , the pigeon , the rabbit , the crocodile, the giraffe, the whale ] reveal  the same dissection plan  , same Arteries and Veins  same heart's chambers , also same bones … each bone has its counterpart .. the wing in pigeon is the hand in frog , the number of  vertebrae  in Giraffe neck is  same  in hedgehog neck . even the systems inside creatures same systems  â€¦ also the Cell which is the basic structural and functional unit of all living creatures .

3-   also the movement of   electrons around the atomic nucleus in orbits.. same as the  movement  of planets and  stars in orbits .

all universe speaks one language , the language of the one creator [ Allah ]

so if people make for them false gods , we became frustrated and hopeless to know the real god .  then what is the benefit of this brain ? " I know we use it for fruitless arguing not thinking "

((23. They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord )) Surah 53

And if it is more than one god , what will happen ?
They will kill  each other  to get to the throne  .