Ideology Under Atheism

[pinkocommie]

I was not meaning to insult anyone. Perhaps I should have used different ideologies, but they were the most glaring examples of an ideology which could be placed under the cosmological view of Atheism. I was not saying, and it was not my intention to imply that atheism has in some way or form shaped the ideology of Nazism, or that atheists were more likely to become Nazis. I knew that many people would disagree that Nazism can be described as an atheistic ideology and was expecting a debate over whether it can be placed in the Theistic, Deistic or Atheistic category. I did not think that my post could be read in a way that my intention could be taken as to imply that an atheistic cosmological view somehow contributed to Nazi ideology anymore than Islamic extremism could be attributed to a theistic cosmology. What I did mean was that ideologies can be placed under the broad categories of Theism, Deism or Atheism (from these cosmological views there branches of various ideologies). For instance from Theism there could be branches of the ideologies of Anglicanism, Lutheranism or Islamism. This does not mean that Theists somehow are implicit in Islamism, just that Islamism can be placed in the broad category of Theism.

As the Nazis are a sensitive issue for many people, perhaps it was thoughtless of me to bring them up in this context. I only meant to stimulate what I thought would be an interesting debate, and did not believe, nor do I believe that my first post was illogical. Of course I have caused feelings and resentment which it was not my intention to create, and I promise you that any link that may have appeared in present or past posts between atheism and Nazism as any more than sharing a cosmological view was purely accidental.

Dagda, to be clear, I generally do like your posts and I apologize if I've come off as overly rude at any time.  I didn't mean to make you feel unwelcome here, that was never my intent.  If I made you feel that way, I am genuinely sorry.  I figured if I had, you would let me know, but since someone else has pointed me out as being particularly rude to you, I want to make sure you know that I wasn't intending to be - I'm sometimes a very blunt person and this can make others uncomfortable.  I hope you keep posting here, your posts and the responses they inspire are one of the many things that make this forum as interesting as it is.  

[elliebean]

I was not meaning to insult anyone.

Nor was I. My comment was meant to be a sort of shorthand for, "I don't have the time to point out everything I find factually wrong with this post and I'm starting to think it was made intentionally to provoke anger in order to cloud the debate even further than it has been already". And I already mentioned elsewhere that I'm a smartass. In light of your second post in this thread, I'm willing to accept that your intentions were benign and you are simply far more misguided in your assumptions about things like atheism, theism, ideologies, logic, fallacy, etc. than I'd given you credit for thus far. :cool:

... and I promise you that any link that may have appeared in present or past posts between atheism and Nazism as any more than sharing a cosmological view was purely accidental.

Well hopefully by now you can agree that the two don't even share that in any meaningful way.


Friends?

[Tanker]

I was not meaning to insult anyone. Perhaps I should have used different ideologies, but they were the most glaring examples of an ideology which could be placed under the cosmological view of Atheism. I was not saying, and it was not my intention to imply that atheism has in some way or form shaped the ideology of Nazism, or that atheists were more likely to become Nazis. I knew that many people would disagree that Nazism can be described as an atheistic ideology and was expecting a debate over whether it can be placed in the Theistic, Deistic or Atheistic category. I did not think that my post could be read in a way that my intention could be taken as to imply that an atheistic cosmological view somehow contributed to Nazi ideology anymore than Islamic extremism could be attributed to a theistic cosmology. What I did mean was that ideologies can be placed under the broad categories of Theism, Deism or Atheism (from these cosmological views there branches of various ideologies). For instance from Theism there could be branches of the ideologies of Anglicanism, Lutheranism or Islamism. This does not mean that Theists somehow are implicit in Islamism, just that Islamism can be placed in the broad category of Theism.

As the Nazis are a sensitive issue for many people, perhaps it was thoughtless of me to bring them up in this context. I only meant to stimulate what I thought would be an interesting debate, and did not believe, nor do I believe that my first post was illogical. Of course I have caused feelings and resentment which it was not my intention to create, and I promise you that any link that may have appeared in present or past posts between atheism and Nazism as any more than sharing a cosmological view was purely accidental.

 Even after all the debate here you are not getting it soooo NAZIS WERE NOT IN ANY WAY ATHEISTIC. Yuo keep trying to associate nazis with atheists they don't go together. McQ after this post are you really going to hold calling Goodwin's Law against me?

 

but they were the most glaring examples of an ideology which could be placed under the cosmological view of Atheism

I don't understand why you keep saying this. In what possble way can a non existant athestic ideology = Nazism/ We have no ideologies and not a single priceaple of Nazism has anything to do with atheism.

You have alot of ideas of what Atheists are. So far everything you have said of us has been wrong. Not just the Nazi thing EVERYTHING. Heres an idea read the dictionary on Atheist then add NOTHING to that deffintion. The only thig we all have in common is a lackof belif in a higher power. There is no such thing as an "atheist ideology"  Every example you have pointed out has be patently wrong.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist
a·the·istâ€, â€,/ˈeɪθiɪst/  Show Spelled[ey-thee-ist]  â€"noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.


Thats it. No ideologies. No groups. No parties. No dogma. No poiltitics. No views. No meetings. NO nothing but denial of higher beings.

Stop trying to shoehorn us into some groups that you percieve we belong to.

[McQ]

Thank goodness I'm not A MODERATOR, otherwise my behavior would be entirely inappropriate, wouldn't it?  I don't go around telling people they're being rude because I'm, at time, rude.  Dagda, at times, has been rude.  You are also, at times, rude AND you're a mod for the forum which automatically puts you in a position to 'set a good example'- yet here you are...pointing fingers at everyone but yourself...

Again, I disagree with your assertion, and you additionally missed the point of my posting your remarks to Dagda.  As a moderator, I do set a good example. I am also human, and just another member of this forum. As such, I do slip too and post before thinking sometimes. When that happens, I'm usually very proactive about taking responsibility for it. You are free to read all of my thousands of posts and find a ratio of good to bad and post it here if you think otherwise. I'm also not the one being sarcastic here. Although I personally love sarcasm and use it (sometimes wrongly), I believe that people can argue their differences without it, like we should be doing now.

You were very quick to put a disclaimer in your last post to Dagda: I'm sometimes a very blunt person and this can make others uncomfortable...

...as if it gives you the right to make mistakes and justify them. I actually would agree that it does give you the right to make mistakes, although not to justify them. Wouldn't you agree that the same would go to any member of this forum?

If you would like to continue this, feel free to send me a PM.

[McQ]

McQ after this post are you really going to hold calling Goodwin's Law against me?

Nope.  

[pinkocommie]

Thank goodness I'm not A MODERATOR, otherwise my behavior would be entirely inappropriate, wouldn't it?  I don't go around telling people they're being rude because I'm, at time, rude.  Dagda, at times, has been rude.  You are also, at times, rude AND you're a mod for the forum which automatically puts you in a position to 'set a good example'- yet here you are...pointing fingers at everyone but yourself...

Again, I disagree with your assertion, and you additionally missed the point of my posting your remarks to Dagda.  As a moderator, I do set a good example. I am also human, and just another member of this forum. As such, I do slip too and post before thinking sometimes. When that happens, I'm usually very proactive about taking responsibility for it. You are free to read all of my thousands of posts and find a ratio of good to bad and post it here if you think otherwise. I'm also not the one being sarcastic here. Although I personally love sarcasm and use it (sometimes wrongly), I believe that people can argue their differences without it, like we should be doing now.

You were very quick to put a disclaimer in your last post to Dagda: I'm sometimes a very blunt person and this can make others uncomfortable...

...as if it gives you the right to make mistakes and justify them. I actually would agree that it does give you the right to make mistakes, although not to justify them. Wouldn't you agree that the same would go to any member of this forum?

If you would like to continue this, feel free to send me a PM.

No, I'm good.