Oklahoma Abortion Law

[Ellainix]

As long as the information is anonymous, I am fine with answering a dumb survey after blending my child.

That's a little callous. Abortion is not a light matter. It is terminating potential life. I agree with the bible-thumper morons. By aborting a fetus, you could prolong/prevent the person who cures AIDS/Cancer/World Hunger/etc.

Yes, but by not aborting a fetus, I am just as likely to give birth to someone who will prevent someone else from curing AIDS/Cancer/World Hunger/Theism/etc..

My stance on abortion is to prevent the need of it, not the act itself.

[LARA]

My stance is, in a nutshell:

Stop. Abortion. [strike:7po4sxw9]Now.[/strike:7po4sxw9]  Sometime in the far future when it's much more practical and less costly and women have equal rights and pay and adequate healthcare and both men and women have biologically engineered switches to prevent any accidental fertilization events.

But that's just in a nutshell.

[LoneMateria]

My stance is, in a nutshell:

Stop. Abortion. [strike:3ukiegqk]Now.[/strike:3ukiegqk]  Sometime in the far future when it's much more practical and less costly and women have equal rights and pay and adequate healthcare and both men and women have biologically engineered switches to prevent any accidental fertilization events.

But that's just in a nutshell.

Lol the thing is the same people who are so pissed about abortions are pissed about birth control.  They think every time we hump something should pop out 9 months later.  We will be working on more effective birth control for years to come, but if people don't take them they will still have kids.  The thing is in our society intelligence is slowly being phased out (thank you evolution) because the less intelligent amongst us are the ones having more kids and it needs to stop.  If it doesn't we will end up with more people like Pat Robertson (a.k.a. the load his mom should have swallowed).

[Ultima22689]

So the world will end up like idiocracy?!?!?! NO! NO NO NO! We have to do something about this! By any means necessary, we can't let the human race turn into a bunch of idiotic morons who pray to their sun god! We have so much potential and idiots want to ruin it? That is pretty frustrating. I really, really do hope kurzweil is right about the singularity and all of that jazz.

[nikkmichalski]

I've heard rumblings of a DDoS against this site when it launches. While I'd never promote the idea of breaking the law, such an attack would be a very interesting method of righteous civil disobedience.

I agree. How do these stupid laws get passed?

[LoneMateria]

I've heard rumblings of a DDoS against this site when it launches. While I'd never promote the idea of breaking the law, such an attack would be a very interesting method of righteous civil disobedience.

I agree. How do these stupid laws get passed?

Some psycho religious nut attaches something stupid to an important bill and when the bill gets passed the stupid law gets passed as well.  Thats how online poker got fucked.  296 to 3 (I think the number was that or close to it) It got attached to a safe port bill that was supposed to help fight terrorism.

[Jolly Sapper]

*scritches head*

I'm pretty sure that most medical facilities keep records of the operations and services they provide, patient profiles, and the medical history of their patients already.  So as far as statistics go, they info is already logged and available for use by researchers.  I'm not seeing a "scientific" reason for having the information online, as its probably already there.

I'm also not a huge fan of using children or the potential for pregnancy as a form of punishment, especially when it takes to horny, differentially gendered folks to start the whole baby making process.  It seems grossly unfair that a woman, regardless of the reasons behind the decision to end her pregnancy is deemed the only "guilty" party.

Now, there are lots of other reasons why women go in for an abortion.  Its not just a service sought out by women who make no effort to practice safer sex practices (what about the guy?).  Condoms break, hormonal birth control can fail, ectopic pregnancies still happen, and women and girls are raped (denying them any choice at all) just to name a few.  

Its fine to say that you don't feel comfortable with the concept of "abortions" but I find it a bit odd that we should accept policies that immediately render guilt and punishment 1) in a way that is not justified and 2) in a fashion that can never be lived down.

[nikkmichalski]

If it doesn't we will end up with more people like Pat Robertson (a.k.a. the load his mom should have swallowed).

That. Was. Awesome!

[Big Mac]

I find it ironic that those who are Pro-Life tend to be Pro-War as well. Those who are Pro-Choice (I prefer to call it Pro-Abortion) also tend to be vegans or whatever and claim slaughtering cows is wrong.

I am amused at the dualities. It's okay to abort a fetus because you don't think life begins then but at the same time a cow (which to me is just a walking bag of meat) is precious. Not knocking anyone in here. Just the irony of it all.

Then you got Pro-Lifers. Now I tend to agree with them that abortion is a horrible practice. I stop short of saying we should ban it. I think we need to reduce the need for it. But these folks tend to go "Yeah, kill all dem ayrabs!!! Blah blah blah!!! AMERIKA!!! FUCK YEAH!!!" Where many children will be killed in the crossfire.

We humans have some bizarre dualities.

[Ellainix]

I find it ironic that those who are Pro-Life tend to be Pro-War as well. Those who are Pro-Choice (I prefer to call it Pro-Abortion) also tend to be vegans or whatever and claim slaughtering cows is wrong.

I am amused at the dualities. It's okay to abort a fetus because you don't think life begins then but at the same time a cow (which to me is just a walking bag of meat) is precious. Not knocking anyone in here. Just the irony of it all.

Then you got Pro-Lifers. Now I tend to agree with them that abortion is a horrible practice. I stop short of saying we should ban it. I think we need to reduce the need for it. But these folks tend to go "Yeah, kill all dem ayrabs!!! Blah blah blah!!! AMERIKA!!! FUCK YEAH!!!" Where many children will be killed in the crossfire.

We humans have some bizarre dualities.

I can honestly say I hold neither of those specific dualities.

[Big Mac]

I find it ironic that those who are Pro-Life tend to be Pro-War as well. Those who are Pro-Choice (I prefer to call it Pro-Abortion) also tend to be vegans or whatever and claim slaughtering cows is wrong.

I am amused at the dualities. It's okay to abort a fetus because you don't think life begins then but at the same time a cow (which to me is just a walking bag of meat) is precious. Not knocking anyone in here. Just the irony of it all.

Then you got Pro-Lifers. Now I tend to agree with them that abortion is a horrible practice. I stop short of saying we should ban it. I think we need to reduce the need for it. But these folks tend to go "Yeah, kill all dem ayrabs!!! Blah blah blah!!! AMERIKA!!! FUCK YEAH!!!" Where many children will be killed in the crossfire.

We humans have some bizarre dualities.

I can honestly say I hold neither of those specific dualities.

Maybe not to that extreme level but think about it. Even people who claim to be pacifists can be pushed to violence. Humans, like any other animal, can thrive on an almost barbaric way of life at times. I don't like abortion but I feel no qualm about killing in self-defense or service in the military. You break into my home, I will simply shoot you until one of us is dead. Then after the police take my statement and they haul your body off, I will get a great night's sleep. I also support the death penalty. I know, I know. I've also hunted hogs with my father. Death permeates our lives. How we engage it is our personal business. We all die, and we all kill some form of life. From the microbes on your skin/counter/sink/toilet to the cow you ate, to the bug you smashed into bits because it was a pest (to you).

I don't really oppose abortion so badly that I think abortion clinics need bombings or what not, but I think we should move to prevent it more. It's sad when we view life as a burden. I don't think people who are Pro-Choice or Pro-Life are inherently bad people, they just seem to take extreme positions.

[LoneMateria]

I don't really oppose abortion so badly that I think abortion clinics need bombings or what not, but I think we should move to prevent it more. It's sad when we view life as a burden. I don't think people who are Pro-Choice or Pro-Life are inherently bad people, they just seem to take extreme positions.

Life ... children can be a burden.  Most people who have abortions don't have them because they don't want kids (its human instinct to reproduce) ... they just don't want them right now.  They are either financially struggling or got knocked up by someone they didn't want to knock them up.  Would you rather bring a child up when you are struggling to put food on the table  or (in this economy) when you and your partner have just lost your jobs and are about to lose your home , or would you rather bring them up when you have money and have more time to devote to them?

Which would be a better environment for the child?  I agree that we should be working on ways to reduce abortions and that can only be achieved by safer sex practices.  That is something that lots of religions are fighting.  Catholicism, Mormonism, Fundamentalists, and Evangelists are fighting safe sex practices because they have this notion every time you hump you should have a baby.    Once everyone starts practicing safe sex then abortions will be in low demand.

[G-Roll]

Doesn’t this break the doctor patient confidentiality thing? This doesn’t sound legal in any possible way.

[nikkmichalski]

As long as the information is anonymous, I am fine with answering a dumb survey after blending my child.

That's a little callous. Abortion is not a light matter. It is terminating potential life. I agree with the bible-thumper morons. By aborting a fetus, you could prolong/prevent the person who cures AIDS/Cancer/World Hunger/etc.

Yes, but by not aborting a fetus, I am just as likely to give birth to someone who will prevent someone else from curing AIDS/Cancer/World Hunger/Theism/etc..

My stance on abortion is to prevent the need of it, not the act itself.

"Blending me child." You made me laugh very hard, and gave me a daily smile! Thanks.

[LovingLife]

I've read alot about this bill, and happy to say that it is being taken to the Supreme court as unconstitutional.  A little more information is needed.  I cannot quite find the site that I want but I will get back with that later.  The essentials are is that the survey is over 30 personal questions, down to education level, profession, income bracket, race, religious affiliation, existing children, if you are married/engaged/divorced/widow/"slut" (otherwise known as single) and the such.

Ever live in a small community?  I have.  Let me tell you that simply with the above information I could pinpoint who in that community had the abortion, let alone bringing in the other 30 or so questions about your personal life.

Now I would find it acceptable if that survey was to be kept private, that data collected in pieces, every month from said clinic or hospital for that months abortions, and posted much like Guttmacher does, with the percentage/numbers of race, marital status, education etc.  Instead it is talking about taking one particular woman's information, minus her name, and posting it online so that they see that it was specifically a black woman, with three children, who has a highschool education, who makes only $30,000 a year, who is divorced, is a practicing Catholic, living in this area, whose condom broke, that only two of her three kids have the same father etc.  Too invasive.  Instead if they were truly honest (that will never happen) about their intentions the only this they would post was that in the month of Jan 09, 37 women got abortions - 43% black, 35% white, 12% hispanic; the age bracket was....

Simple, straight forward, logical, without stigma, factual, easy to follow and gather data, without compromising patient/doctor privilege.