Question for Theists

[LoneMateria]

I think he is referring to Fox News.  Don't worry Ultima I don't like them either.  For some reason its the republicans go to Fox News (like my grandparents, last time I stayed with them every morning I woke up to Fox news and I wanted to put a bullet in my head ).  Anyway andrew I think Ultima is referring to the divisive spin that Fox puts on religion.  The little bit i've watched Fox News when I see religion being represented as any non-Christians are portrayed as immoral, barbaric, and uncivilized.  When Christianity is represented its always the religion of peace and I see messages like fundamentalism is awesome.

I remember one of the last times I watched Fox a few years back an abortion doctor got shot and they were trying to say it wasn't religiously motivated and that the shooter suffered from an undiagnosed mental disorder.  Another station (I don't remember of it was CNN or NBC) had the same story later and they had statements from the guy saying it was Jesus's will and he felt holy doing this.  ^_^  Its all theological here

[Ultima22689]

I think he is referring to Fox News.  Don't worry Ultima I don't like them either.  For some reason its the republicans go to Fox News (like my grandparents, last time I stayed with them every morning I woke up to Fox news and I wanted to put a bullet in my head ).  Anyway andrew I think Ultima is referring to the divisive spin that Fox puts on religion.  The little bit i've watched Fox News when I see religion being represented as any non-Christians are portrayed as immoral, barbaric, and uncivilized.  When Christianity is represented its always the religion of peace and I see messages like fundamentalism is awesome.

I remember one of the last times I watched Fox a few years back an abortion doctor got shot and they were trying to say it wasn't religiously motivated and that the shooter suffered from an undiagnosed mental disorder.  Another station (I don't remember of it was CNN or NBC) had the same story later and they had statements from the guy saying it was Jesus's will and he felt holy doing this.  ^_^  Its all theological here

Yeah, that's all I meant by it. I guess I should make it clear. There is NOTHING wrong with a news station having a bias, be it left or right, it's only when the news becomes incredibly distorted and it's clear they are even lying at times is it a problem, it's just unfortunate that Fox News is the only outlet on US TV for news that has a conservative catering. If I were a conservative and had the capital to do so I would launch my own news station and try to outdo Fox legitimately and hope they just die off because they aren't doing anyone in this country a favor. In fact I guess i'll open a new thread in a proper forum for this so don't respond to this if you have an opinion on it, i'll just do it in a new thread although I won't be surprised if it's already been done here. So don't respond here! Look for my new thread which will be up in moments!

[Godschild]

I'm not blaming you for anything. I'm just trying to clear up confusion. I'm still unsure exactly what "American Christianity" means. It doesn't seem to refer to fundamentalism or evangelism which were my first guesses. This is part of the reason why conversations about religion can be so difficult (and why we atheists are sometimes anal about definitions). No one has the same definition of their religion, about gods, or about Jesus. Everyones interpretation is somewhat different and when you assume someones definition matches your own it will often bring problems to the conversation. Keep this in mind Renegnicat it will help you in discussions to come ^_^.

      The reason so may definition arise about Jesus He works in many different ways in peoples lives. Christ is an infinite God so why would you expect one pat answer. Can you give us one pat answer for evolution and don't avoid the question by saying because I'm an athiest it doesn't make me an evolutionist of coarse it does there is nothing else for you to believe. If you were to take ten different people and ask them to discribe the Grand Canyon you would receive ten simular statements but with some stiking differences. Now read these to a blind man who has never experienced the Grand Canyon and ask him which statement is true. He want know the best he can do is guess or say none of them. Because you have chosen to blind yourself to Christ then you should not expect to be able to understand any description of Him. So don't upset yourself by being anal about not having one pat answer about JESUS.

[AlP]

Corrections for spelling and grammar and a substitution:

This is the reason so many definitions arise about chocolate cake. It works in many different ways in peoples' lives. Chocolate cake is the best cake so why would you expect one answer. Can you give us one answer for ingredients and don't avoid the question by saying because I'm a skeptic it doesn't make me a baker of course it does there is nothing else for you to believe. If you were to take ten different people and ask them to describe chocolate cake, you would receive ten similar statements but with some striking differences. Now read these to a man with no sense of taste who has never experienced chocolate cake and ask him which statement is true. He won't know; the best he can do is guess or say none of them. Because you have chosen to blind yourself to chocolate cake, you should not expect to be able to understand any description of it. So don't upset yourself by being anal about not having one answer about CHOCOLATE CAKE.

[Tom62]

I'm more into apple pie  

[Godschild]

Mockery is a last resort before giving up. For a group that represents itself as intellegent that was very sad  

[AlP]

Mockery is a last resort before giving up. For a group that represents itself as intellegent that was very sad  

It was mockery. Make an argument and I will argue with you. Glad you like chocolate cake too =).

[Whitney]

The reason so may definition arise about Jesus He works in many different ways in peoples lives. Christ is an infinite God so why would you expect one pat answer. Can you give us one pat answer for evolution and don't avoid the question by saying because I'm an athiest it doesn't make me an evolutionist of coarse it does there is nothing else for you to believe. If you were to take ten different people and ask them to discribe the Grand Canyon you would receive ten simular statements but with some stiking differences. Now read these to a blind man who has never experienced the Grand Canyon and ask him which statement is true. He want know the best he can do is guess or say none of them. Because you have chosen to blind yourself to Christ then you should not expect to be able to understand any description of Him. So don't upset yourself by being anal about not having one pat answer about JESUS.

First of all, no, an atheist does not have to accept evolution; they can be just as ignorant as the fundamentalists and reject valid science too.
Second, generally evolution is described in the same way by scientists.  The only differences you will find are related to the details of the process....like punctuated equilibrium.
Third, the purpose of science is to look for the correct answer by exploring as much evidence as possible.  As the answer is refined there will be discussions and disagreements.  The theory of evolution is still being refined.  However, anyone who understands evolution will agree on the basic mechanism and could easily explain it to a blind man.

Religion, and Christianity, is like a blind man trying to hit a target without knowing what direction to shoot.  He's in a room full of lots of claimed experts on where the target is located and has to decide if he will listen to one of the claims to decide they are all messing with him and simply put down the arrow and avoid humiliation.  If he does decide to shoot, the 'expert' who gave him advice will congratulate him on hitting the target; but this expert is just another blind man too.  In fact, there are tons of blind men each patting the other on the backs for shooting in the 'right' direction.  Every now and then one of the blind men will realize the folly of such a game try to bring reason to the others...only to find that the others really like the idea of hitting the target whether it is there or not.

(if I had used chocolate cake instead of a target would it make my comments less mature?)

[LoneMateria]

The reason so may definition arise about Jesus He works in many different ways in peoples lives. Christ is an infinite God so why would you expect one pat answer. Can you give us one pat answer for evolution and don't avoid the question by saying because I'm an athiest it doesn't make me an evolutionist of coarse it does there is nothing else for you to believe. If you were to take ten different people and ask them to discribe the Grand Canyon you would receive ten simular statements but with some stiking differences. Now read these to a blind man who has never experienced the Grand Canyon and ask him which statement is true. He want know the best he can do is guess or say none of them. Because you have chosen to blind yourself to Christ then you should not expect to be able to understand any description of Him. So don't upset yourself by being anal about not having one pat answer about JESUS.

Translated, "Please don't be anal by thinking.  The Flying Spaghetti Monster is beyond one answer!  You silly silly people!"

You have repeatedly demonstrated that you have no understanding of atheists and you have minimal understanding of logic and critical thinking.  If you want to argue the existence of your god or how we shouldn't need evidence please post your own damn thread about it.  If you can make an argument we can argue about it.  If you fill your posts with straw men, non sequiturs and other logical fallacies then you are setting yourself up for being mocked.  Just a warning.  Also I don't like being preached to, and when you compound that with fallacies, ignorance, stereotypes, misconceptions, bad facts, poor examples, bad spelling, poor grammar, and the attitude that you are somehow superior, you are looking for someone to make you look like an asshat.  And that person will probably be me.  When you attempt to make an argument try not to put so many fallacies in it after about 3 or 4 most people will just mock you.

[andrewclunn]

I believe the title of this thread is, "Question for Theists" not "Warning Theists!  You Will be Attacked Mercilessly if You Actually Attempt to Answer this Question."

[Whitney]

While it is pretty obvious that I was also annoyed by GodsChild's approach....let's stick to the rules and maintain a civil atmosphere.  Thanks!