I truly feel bad for atheists.

[LoneMateria]

lol Hmm perhaps I should change my question up a little bit. Since when does theism require the belief that God makes choices based on the quantity of prayers given to him by the people he created, despite his infinite knowledge?

Thats better

[Munchkin Goddess]

So when you cry, Jesus comes visits you and you see him with your own eyes cry with you?
I have a hard time thinking you were an atheist, at least how I like to think it, likes to look at the evidence for any claims. They like to apply critical thinking skills to not only religion, but most other things.

Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. Where is your evidence of a God? The Bible? I hope not because the Bible is the book of fairy tales and contradictions that most religious people (at least that I know) just pick and choose which passage makes sense and which doesn't to them.

[Reginus]

Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. Where is your evidence of a God? The Bible? I hope not because the Bible is the book of fairy tales and contradictions that most religious people (at least that I know) just pick and choose which passage makes sense and which doesn't to them.

A couple starter books for a quick summary:
-Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
-Letters from a Skeptic by Greg Boyd

Mere Christianity is a classic which focuses on the argument from morality, and portrays a general overview of the Christian faith, while Letters from a Skeptic answers a multitude of objections from atheists and agnostics, ranging from "why would an all loving god send people to hell?" to "why has the church done so much harm for so long?", and also includes some material about the evidence for the historical accuracy of the Gospels.

By the way, I'm fairly sure the opener was a troll.

[Apotheosis]

Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. Where is your evidence of a God? The Bible? I hope not because the Bible is the book of fairy tales and contradictions that most religious people (at least that I know) just pick and choose which passage makes sense and which doesn't to them.

A couple starter books for a quick summary:
-Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
-Letters from a Skeptic by Greg Boyd

Mere Christianity is a classic which focuses on the argument from morality, and portrays a general overview of the Christian faith, while Letters from a Skeptic answers a multitude of objections from atheists and agnostics, ranging from "why would an all loving god send people to hell?" to "why has the church done so much harm for so long?", and also includes some material about the evidence for the historical accuracy of the Gospels.

Since I've no intention of reading either, could you post actual evidence? I'm capable of representing my worldview without linking you to books.

[Reginus]

Since I've no intention of reading either, could you post actual evidence? I'm capable of representing my worldview without linking you to books.

hell no. You're making the assumption that I have 25 hours in my day to debate.

On another note, yes, I'm starting to work on a summary of Lewis's morality argument with some other additions.

[McQ]

Since I've no intention of reading either, could you post actual evidence? I'm capable of representing my worldview without linking you to books.

 

Also, I think a summary of Lewis' morality argument would be very interesting. I liked his argument in certain ways, although truthfully, he lost me with the part about a controlling power outside of the universe that can't show itself to us inside the universe as a factual or tangible thing. I always thought and still do think, that that is a copout. I respect the amount of deep thinking that the man did though. Just by writing about it, he makes people think hard about things still.

[Apotheosis]

You're making the assumption that I have 25 hours in my day to debate.

Thirty minutes or less a day would satisfy me. I know I wouldn't commit more time than that to a debate with you, nothing against you, personally.

lol hell no.
On another note, yes, I'm starting to work on a summary of Lewis's morality argument with some other additions.

Mixed messages.    I maintain that there exists no evidence for any deity, but I'll hear any persuasian to the contrary, if it's not in the form of an advert for a book.

[Reginus]

Thirty minutes or less a day would satisfy me. I know I wouldn't commit more time than that to a debate with you, nothing against you, personally..

Eh, sorry bud, but I spend that much time already debating with Mr. LoneMateria on the New Testament. Maybe on the weekends.

I have to give you points for your reply.

What's the U.S. dollar exchange rate?  

[artwomyn]

I'm an Atheist.  And no believer in a 'God', has EVER given me a rational reason, as to why they are certain that a 'God' exists.  The number one reason that I'm an Atheist, is the proof of evolution (creationism has
NEVER been proven).  The other reason I'm an Atheist, is that Patriarchal religion (and a believe that a 'God' is a male being), has been used to oppress women and people of color for centuries, and still is. My third reason for being an Atheist, is the wretched state of the world.  There are innocent children everywhere that are abused, tortured, starving, etc., as well as other miserable human events like poverty, war, and many other injustices.  Could a truly loving 'God', stand by and let these awful things happen? I think not!  And what about other atrocities that have occurred throughout history, such as slavery, the holocaust, the plague, 911, etc., etc.  Why did a 'God'  let these heinous things happen??  Believers in a 'God', have never been able to give me logical answers to these sorts of questions, that I have proposed to them!

Artwomyn.  

[SSY]

Welcome to the forum

Question; how do you know that there is not a god, who let life evolve via evolution, is a misogynist and so purposely oppresses women, and who also likes a good genocide, so does nothing to stop them when they pop up?

None of the reasons you gave are really good reasons to disbelieve in god, the first is a reason to ignore a literal interpretation of the bible, and the other two are reasons not to like the god, but not reasons to disbelieve, unless we restrict our definition of atheist to a Judeo-Christian god. I wold normally leave this sort of thing, but you seem to be keen on rational reasons for belief and disbelief, while not applying these rigorous standards to yourself.

[G-Roll]

Welcome to the forum

Question; how do you know that there is not a god, who let life evolve via evolution, is a misogynist and so purposely oppresses women, and who also likes a good genocide, so does nothing to stop them when they pop up?

None of the reasons you gave are really good reasons to disbelieve in god, the first is a reason to ignore a literal interpretation of the bible, and the other two are reasons not to like the god, but not reasons to disbelieve, unless we restrict our definition of atheist to a Judeo-Christian god. I wold normally leave this sort of thing, but you seem to be keen on rational reasons for belief and disbelief, while not applying these rigorous standards to yourself.

An angry atheist? Angry at the diety they dont believe in?  

[Renegnicat]

It's all right, you don't have to feel sorry for me, Ibelieveinhymn. I have allready reached the end of suffering.  

[Aedus]

I used to browse atheist internet forums disgracing God. Until God came to me personally, and he made me a believer in him.

When you talk to God, that's your prerogative. When god talks back, well...that's not a good sign.  

[Mark L Holland]

I do not feel sorry for Atheists, why should I.  You claim that you were an Atheist who was touched by your God and became a Theist.  I also was touched by a God and had that God touch my soul and said (I am Here).  An Atheist is an Atheist simply because no God has touched their souls and said (I am Here).  They are Atheists because it is Gods will that they be Atheists.  They are simply fulfilling Gods will for them.

  If a God touched your soul and said (I am Here) and a God touched my soul and said (I am Here) then there is no reason for a God or Gods not to touch the soul of an Atheist other then it is their God given duty to be Atheists.  So why feel sorry for Atheists when they are doing as God or Gods want them to do.  They are Atheists simply because God or Gods want them to be Atheists.

  As for your God/Jesus though, no such critter exists.  There is not and never will be a God/Jesus.  While the man Jesus was a decent fellow with some divine inspiration in his teachings, he is not God or a God.  Jehovah did not crawl into a cocoon and emerge as the Jesus/God butterfly all loving and forgiving.  And the Christian Religion by it’s teachings, history or doctrine is not in any way a God driven or God supported Religious Faith.  It is evil from its foundation through to the upper levels of it’s priesthoods.

  So trust me do not feel sorry for Atheists for they are doing what God or Gods have determined they should do.  Feel sorry for those like you who claim divine right when no divine right has been given to you.  You will be lucky not to burn in eternal fire and torment in the very hell that you and your church has created for others to burn in.