I truly feel bad for atheists.

[curiosityandthecat]

Acts of piety such as trolling an atheist forum are just a strong indication of doubt. No one with strong faith would need to overcompensate like that. Our friend, IBelieveInHymn, is likely a closed agnostic. I feel sympathy for him, because a lot of atheists including myself were once there. It's a difficult place to find yourself, and even more difficult to find your way out of. Best of luck, IBelieveInHymn.

Ibeliveinhymn has the same ip as psalm23. While it doesn't diffintivly make this a sock puppet they at the very least live in the same building. Kinda sad really.

I see these things a mile away, hence my dismissive nature.  :blink:

[SSY]

Jesus said ;

"Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor."

This means no lying. I feel so bad for theists, at least this one, he is going to hell  

Save me a seat.

[Yrreg]

Re: I truly feel bad for atheists.
by Yrreg » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:28 am

To be honest about it, I have read a lot of harsh unkind words from atheists against God and theists, and nothing harsh and unkind from theists against atheists.

On the other hand I have only read these unkind words from atheists in web forums and blogs and also books written by atheists against God and theists.

Books such as the ones by Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris and also their emulators, they are replete with unkind words against God and theists.

Again to be honest about it, from the unkind words of atheists against God and theists, I have to say that atheists hold God and theists to be all evil and must be extirpated from mankind.

In brief, atheists hate God and theists.


Now, even though I have not read unkind words from theists against atheists, I have read about that poll in the US, which reveals how the vast majority of Americans regard atheists, namely, as the most distrusted minority in their country.

So I suppose theists also hold atheists to be all evil and must be extirpated from mankind.


What about a contest between atheists and theists, for each side to use all the possibilities available to tell all mankind, namely, from atheists to tell mankind why God and theists are all evil for mankind and therefore must be extirpated for the good of mankind, and similarly for theists to tell the whole mankind that atheists are all evil for mankind and must be extirpated.


What do you think, everyone here of whatever worldviews, who will convince mankind more, atheists or theists?



Yrreg

What about a contest between atheists and theists, for each side to use all the possibilities available to tell all mankind, namely, from atheists to tell mankind why God and theists are all evil for mankind and therefore must be extirpated for the good of mankind, and similarly for theists to tell the whole mankind that atheists are all evil for mankind and must be extirpated.


What do you think, everyone here of whatever worldviews, who will convince mankind more, atheists or theists?

I am still asking:

What do you think, everyone here of whatever worldviews, who will convince mankind more, atheists or theists?

Yrreg

[curiosityandthecat]

What about a contest between atheists and theists, for each side to use all the possibilities available to tell all mankind, namely, from atheists to tell mankind why God and theists are all evil for mankind and therefore must be extirpated for the good of mankind, and similarly for theists to tell the whole mankind that atheists are all evil for mankind and must be extirpated.


What do you think, everyone here of whatever worldviews, who will convince mankind more, atheists or theists?

I am still asking:

What do you think, everyone here of whatever worldviews, who will convince mankind more, atheists or theists?

Yrreg

Theists have been doing this for, oh, I dunno, all of human history. They've won so far because they can justify killing those who disagree by saying God demands it.

Dead men tell no tales and history is written by those who are left.

[Yrreg]

Theists have been doing this for, oh, I dunno, all of human history. They've won so far because they can justify killing those who disagree by saying God demands it.

Dead men tell no tales and history is written by those who are left.

Well, that is your pure and to my obervation overly drastic opinion.

But you do say: "oh, I dunno," and that is pertinent to the thread I am hosting in this forum on:

What do atheists claim to know nothing about?[/list]



Still can you think of a better informed view about whather theists have won over mankind all the time by killing people off who choose not to accept God and become like themselves theists?



Yrreg

[Yrreg]

Before anything else, I am not American, but I am interested in events in the USA as a student of human behaviors.

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It seems that the mutual recriminations between atheists and theists predominantly represented by Christians are getting more and more shrill in the US, and I think it could get violent.

Consider the following confrontations:

Imagine no religion vs Why do atheists hate America

http://www.ingodwetrustusa.org/atheists.html

Don’t believe in God ads in busses.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=6966203
[/list]


So, you atheists insist that it is your right to free speech that you put an ad in busses telling people not to believe in God.

And Christians put an ad in busses and everywhere they can put up any free or paid for notice that atheists hate America, and justify it by their right to free speech.

Can you now if you have any sense of what is conducive to peace and order among fellow humans, can you now see where you are heading into with that kind of an ad in the exercise of free speech?

And where are Christians heading into, with the same kinds of ads?

Yes, of course there is free speech, but over and above free speech is speech that is conducive to mutual acceptance, harmony, peace, and helpfulness, instead of hatred.


I suggest that cooler heads in the USA choose by a kind of popular consensus wise men from among atheists and wise men from among theists in particular Christians: to find ways and means for atheists and theists to practice free speech in regard to God or no God, without resorting to exacerbating speech and much less deeds.



What do you members of this forum say? Is that possible?

I submit it is possible if people are truly inured to the idea and habit of keeping to civility even in the exchange of thoughts and attachments which are diametrically contradictory, like God and no God.



Yrreg

[rlrose328]

There is nothing we can say that will truly make you understand our POV.  Nothing.  While some of us have lived in your shoes, you have no intention of living in ours.  Why does OUR putting something on a bus automatically cause a problem, but a Christ-centered ad is not at all a problem?

Why is it assumed that I hate America because I refuse to invoke the name of a deity that has no evidence of existing when pledging allegiance to my country?  Especially when I know that phrase was added during a war and for a very silly reason?  I prefer the pledge in the manner in which it was originally written.... by a minister who never wanted God to be added, much less specifically America.

Your questions have been answered over and over again.  YOu seem to think you're painting atheists into a corner, but it just won't happen.

No... the competing billboards are not conducive to peace and order... but neither is being denigrated by the majority for hundreds of years.  I know I'm hated merely for saying I don't believe there is a god... HATED and distrusted.  Wouldn't that make you want to fight back, especially when those who are saying the mean things continue to moan about how persecuted they are?

[Tom62]

Before anything else, I am not American, but I am interested in events in the USA as a student of human behaviors.

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It seems that the mutual recriminations between atheists and theists predominantly represented by Christians are getting more and more shrill in the US, and I think it could get violent.

This is an international forum. I'm not an American either. What astounds me that American Christians are more angry towards atheists that in other parts of the world. I can therefore accept the fact that American atheists are more upset about "their" Christians than for example here in Western Europe. Our problem is not so much with Christians, but with Muslim fundamentalists, who want to impose their religion and traditions upon us. From my point of view there is barely any difference between a Christian-, Jewish-, Hindu or Muslim fundamentalist. They are equally evil.

Consider the following confrontations:

Imagine no religion vs Why do atheists hate America

http://www.ingodwetrustusa.org/atheists.html

Don’t believe in God ads in busses.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=6966203
[/list]

Do you really take that crap seriously? Anyone who doesn't believe in God, is Anti-American. Fuck off, those people who think that way are bigots, stupid idiots and diluted by their silly believes. America was stolen from the Indians by the Europeans. Many people were killed during this colonization process. That is something not to be proud of. We also learn from American history that their forefathers (the Puritans) came to America for religious freedom and in the process immediately started to prosecute and kill other Christian groups. Not to mention of course the wonderful witch hunts in Salem, the Christian approval of slavery and the bigitory Christian hate against black people, that was state-sponsored in the American Bible Belt until the late sixties. Maybe that is their idea of the Christian traditions that they want to save?

What make you believe that an American atheist doesn't love his own country or cannot be a patriot?  Just because he doesn't buy the idea that there is a supernatural imaginary being somewhere? That idea is just as silly as claiming that someone is not a patriotic Scandinavian, because he doesn't believe in Thor.

So, you atheists insist that it is your right to free speech that you put an ad in busses telling people not to believe in God.

And Christians put an ad in busses and everywhere they can put up any free or paid for notice that atheists hate America, and justify it by their right to free speech.

You've got it wrong there. These "atheist" slogans on the buses, don't tell people not to believe any more. They are not attacking God or Christians. These slogans are extremely considerate and non offensive towards theists. The target group are atheists, who are afraid to come out of the closet. There is no intention to convert Christians to become atheists. The Christian slogans however are, as you already seen for yourself, full of hate and anger towards atheists. If Jesus was still alive today, I'm pretty sure that he would be disgusted by that behavior of his followers. Hate, anger and violence is a sin!

Can you now if you have any sense of what is conducive to peace and order among fellow humans, can you now see where you are heading into with that kind of an ad in the exercise of free speech?

And where are Christians heading into, with the same kinds of ads?

The way I see, the Christians want us to "shut up", while the atheists want to let the world known that they exist and that they want to express their thoughts and feelings. So basically theists are leading the world to a situation where freedom of their (own) religion is more important than freedom of speech. Where that leads to we can clearly see in theocratic states like Iran. Democracy will be thrown out of the window and the thought police will control everything that you say and do.

The fight against atheism has grown heavily out of proportions, thanks to ultra conservative theists. These theists shout very loud, but the question is whether the normal theist, who lives next door, truly feel that those extreme fundamental believes match their own. To be honest, I don't believe that is the case. I'm pretty sure that the majority of theists in the world want this fundamentalism to stop. They want to live just as much in peace and don't worry that they are killed for their believes, as atheists do.  

Yes, of course there is free speech, but over and above free speech is speech that is conducive to mutual acceptance, harmony, peace, and helpfulness, instead of hatred.

Without freedom of speech the world would be a very sad place indeed. Freedom of speech also includes that people don't have to agree with the ideas of others. That is natural and cannot be avoided. In any case, religion should not dictate what people are allowed to say. That is in direct violation with basic human rights.

I suggest that cooler heads in the USA choose by a kind of popular consensus wise men from among atheists and wise men from among theists in particular Christians: to find ways and means for atheists and theists to practice free speech in regard to God or no God, without resorting to exacerbating speech and much less deeds.

What do you members of this forum say? Is that possible?

I think that this is a bad idea. First of all, American Christians don't "own" the Christian God (they think they do, but that is another silly story). Second, you cannot regulate freedom of speech. Either you have it, or you don't. Any steps to regulate freedom of speech for the sake of religion (or other world views) can only lead to misery. Freedom of speech is much more important than freedom of religion. Not having freedom of speech, will also lead to the end of freedom of religion. You can already see it happening in Europe, where Muslim fundamentalists are slowly taking over the society and no-one is allowed to say anything against it. If you oppose it then you are labeled as an intolerant racist.

In order to live in peace and harmony, it is more important that the world gets rid of the ideas that my God is better than yours, you are bad because you don't believe in my God, you must be tolerant because I have crazy believes than whether of not a bus shows a slogan that reads "Don't believe in God? You are not alone.".

[karadan]

It won't read our replies

Is there any point in replying?

[Yrreg]

Okay, may I just ask atheists what they want to see in the USA?

1. The killing of people who believe in God?

2. The destruction of all structures indicative of belief in God?

3. The burning of all printed matters and deletion of all internet materials indicative of belief in God?

Yrreg

[Tanker]

Okay, may I just ask atheists what they want to see in the USA?

1. The killing of people who believe in God?

2. The destruction of all structures indicative of belief in God?

3. The burning of all printed matters and deletion of all internet materials indicative of belief in God?

Yrreg

Still going on about this? Atheists don't hate god or religion. We just don't want others to force thier beliefs on us. It has become more and more aparnt over the last few days that you belive every lie and stereotype about Atheits there is. We don't hate god, we have a MUCH lower crime rate then our theist counter parts, we don't seek to destroy any knowlede or burn any books including religious ones, a building is just a building to us, we don't eat babies, we don't worship satan (we don't believe in him either), we aren't generally angry people, we aren't atheists just so we can sin, we aren't persecuting anyone we are being persecuted but you have systematicly ignore all evidence you have been provided, we aren't immoral people for the most part in fact most atheists are more moral then most theists, We dont seek to destroy religion, only ignorance and intolerace for the most part. Most of these are generalisations or have qualifiers becasue the ONLY thing we all have in common is a disbelief in god.


You sir seem to be very ignorant and have no interest in changing that ignorance despite coming to the sorce and being corrected by it. Why come here and ask questions if you won't believe the answers or even accept their validity.

You are just a troll who wants to be heard but not listen. I am done with you, you can only bang your head against a brick wall for so long before you realise it's too dense to make a dent it.

[skurry]

Okay, may I just ask atheists what they want to see in the USA?

1. The killing of people who believe in God?

2. The destruction of all structures indicative of belief in God?

3. The burning of all printed matters and deletion of all internet materials indicative of belief in God?

Yrreg

I believe I JUST answered you in the other post about this.

"You sir seem to be very ignorant and have no interest in changing that ignorance despite coming to the sorce and being corrected by it. Why come here and ask questions if you won't believe the answers or even accept their validity.

You are just a troll who wants to be heard but not listen."

And I just posted something similar to this prior to reading it.

[curiosityandthecat]

Okay, may I just ask atheists what they want to see in the USA?

1. The killing of people who believe in God?

2. The destruction of all structures indicative of belief in God?

3. The burning of all printed matters and deletion of all internet materials indicative of belief in God?

Yrreg

Wow. Just wow.

This reminds me of a Family Guy bit:

Lawyer: Mr Griffin, which of the following two phrases best describes Brian Griffin: Problem Drinker or African-American Haberdasher?
Peter: Uh, do I-I guess problem drinker, but that's uh-
Lawyer: Thank-you. Now: Sexual deviant or magic picture that if you stare at it long enough, you see something?
Peter: Well, sexual deviant, but that other one's not even, eh-
Lawyer: Thank-you.

Seriously? Seriously?

[rlrose328]

Okay, may I just ask atheists what they want to see in the USA?

1. The killing of people who believe in God?

2. The destruction of all structures indicative of belief in God?

3. The burning of all printed matters and deletion of all internet materials indicative of belief in God?

Yrreg

<sigh>  I just don't understand what kind of pleasure you derive from asking asinine questions like this.  You MUST know that these questions are counterproductive to this discussion, don't you?

What we want is for you to keep your beliefs to yourself, not try to convert every other living being to your beliefs, and to keep your beliefs out of the schools and government.  You can have your beliefs.  You can have your religious buildings.  You can have your printed matters and internet materials.  Just stop trying to make it the global religion.  That's not right and it's not fair to the rest of the belief systems out there.

[Heretical Rants]

Okay, may I just ask atheists what they want to see in the USA?

1. The killing of people who believe in God?

2. The destruction of all structures indicative of belief in God?

3. The burning of all printed matters and deletion of all internet materials indicative of belief in God?

Yrreg

Even your username says, "Troll."

Yrreg!  Yrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegggg!!!!