THE GREAT FAITH OF THE EVOLUTIONIST

[The Magic Pudding]

You might want to edit out the URL in your post as I have in mine as when the original post is deleted there will still be a link to the spammers site as it has been unwittingly duplicated. Spammers find 'weak' sites be looking for links in sites from spammers.

Done

I wonder if I could be a spammer.

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[Asmodean]

Ok, confess ye wicked ones! WHO resurrected the dreadful wall of mostly nonsense text in the OP!?  

[Goathead]

Why hasn't anyone disproved Perspective yet? Oh, right... that would require evidence for evolution. My bad.

[Whitney]

Why hasn't anyone disproved Perspective yet? Oh, right... that would require evidence for evolution. My bad.

 

[iSok]

Evolution seems to me a pretty plausible theory how life originated.

But I have a question.
Why did man continue to evolve? And lead eventually to the
fact that he's the most dominant specie on this planet?

Let me say this way, are there any theories why nature let her grip loose on man?
And what was so special about man? So how come man eventually stepped out of the food chain?

velociraptors also seemed to be pretty smart, so why us and not raptors?
Even though the theory why they came to an end is a bit confusing.
Some say climate change, others say meteor impact which caused climate change?
(My favourite dinosaur in my youth was the Spinosaurus however...)

I never understood this part of the theory, hopefully someone here can explain?
So why did we continue to evolve?

EDIT: To add this, I hope it will clarify my question a bit more.

How did man escape from nature's grip?
If you get too many bunnies, eventually a disease spreads out and kills half of the population.

What I mean is, the rest of nature is pretty much in balance, so how did we break loose?
As we're the only species which can easily destroy nature and ourselves (we are doing it already..)

[LegendarySandwich]

Evolution seems to me a pretty plausible theory how life originated.

It's not a theory about how life originated, it's a theory about life got the way it is today.

But I have a question.
Why did man continue to evolve? And lead eventually to the
fact that he's the most dominant specie on this planet?

Let me say this way, are there any theories why nature let her grip loose on man?
And what was so special about man? So how come man eventually stepped out of the food chain?

velociraptors also seemed to be pretty smart, so why us and not raptors?
Even though the theory why they came to an end is a bit confusing.
Some say climate change, others say meteor impact which caused climate change?
(My favourite dinosaur in my youth was the Spinosaurus however...)

I never understood this part of the theory, hopefully someone here can explain?
So why did we continue to evolve?

Why not?

[Sophus]

Evolution seems to me a pretty plausible theory how life originated.

But I have a question.
Why did man continue to evolve? And lead eventually to the
fact that he's the most dominant specie on this planet?

Let me say this way, are there any theories why nature let her grip loose on man?
And what was so special about man? So how come man eventually stepped out of the food chain?

velociraptors also seemed to be pretty smart, so why us and not raptors?
Even though the theory why they came to an end is a bit confusing.
Some say climate change, others say meteor impact which caused climate change?
(My favourite dinosaur in my youth was the Spinosaurus however...)

I never understood this part of the theory, hopefully someone here can explain?
So why did we continue to evolve?

Everything continues to evolve. There is no off switch. The reason why we're "dominant" is because of the size of our cranium (EQ). After learning to cook our food we no longer need large, strong jaws to chew and so that allowed for small jaws and bigger brain.

[Whitney]

Why did man continue to evolve?

It's not that humans continued to adapt to their environment (aka evolve) while other animals didn't.  High intelligence doesn't necessarily mean that man is more evolved than a lobster (for instance).  Anything that survived over the years is evolved; those that didn't survive did not manage to evolve.  What helps us to survive may not help another creature who has differing biological and environmental needs.

And lead eventually to the fact that he's the most dominant specie on this planet?

Well, bacteria actually have us beat out by quite a bit...but I get what you are saying.
But the reason we are so numerous is because we are good at using our intelligence to survive in a wide range of climates and we are really good at procreating.

Let me say this way, are there any theories why nature let her grip loose on man?

Nature didn't loose grip on man...mass famine in the 3rd world is an example of where nature is kicking human butt.

And what was so special about man? So how come man eventually stepped out of the food chain?

We are still very much in the food chain...the only thing that keeps us at the top is weapons and protective barriers.  Stand near a lion without a gun at hand and you are no longer top of the food chain.

velociraptors also seemed to be pretty smart, so why us and not raptors?

I think the movies might be over exaggerating how much we can know about the intelligence of raptors.  That said, even if they were smarter than us, intelligence can only go so far in offering protection from natural disasters (like a giant meteor or mega volcano).  Think of how many humans die from natural disasters every year despite our best efforts to prevent injury.

[iSok]

Everything continues to evolve. There is no off switch. The reason why we're "dominant" is because of the size of our cranium (EQ). After learning to cook our food we no longer need large, strong jaws to chew and so that allowed for small jaws and bigger brain.

Hmmm, I don't really understand Sophus.
In nature we can find a lot of soft types of food, your theory could be however plausible.

But to say that our brains grew, since we can cook our food; that would mean that a lot of animals
in the animal kingdom would have a reasonable chance to become dominant.

Is this the only reason?

[Whitney]

But to say that our brains grew, since we can cook our food; that would mean that a lot of animals
in the animal kingdom would have a reasonable chance to become dominant.

There is no reason why over time another species couldn't evolve to be dominant over humans (though that isn't going to happen in our life times since the process is slow).

[iSok]

Why did man continue to evolve?

It's not that humans continued to adapt to their environment (aka evolve) while other animals didn't.  High intelligence doesn't necessarily mean that man is more evolved than a lobster (for instance).  Anything that survived over the years is evolved; those that didn't survive did not manage to evolve.  What helps us to survive may not help another creature who has differing biological and environmental needs.

And lead eventually to the fact that he's the most dominant specie on this planet?

Well, bacteria actually have us beat out by quite a bit...but I get what you are saying.
But the reason we are so numerous is because we are good at using our intelligence to survive in a wide range of climates and we are really good at procreating.

Let me say this way, are there any theories why nature let her grip loose on man?

Nature didn't loose grip on man...mass famine in the 3rd world is an example of where nature is kicking human butt.

And what was so special about man? So how come man eventually stepped out of the food chain?

We are still very much in the food chain...the only thing that keeps us at the top is weapons and protective barriers.  Stand near a lion without a gun at hand and you are no longer top of the food chain.

velociraptors also seemed to be pretty smart, so why us and not raptors?

I think the movies might be over exaggerating how much we can know about the intelligence of raptors.  That said, even if they were smarter than us, intelligence can only go so far in offering protection from natural disasters (like a giant meteor or mega volcano).  Think of how many humans die from natural disasters every year despite our best efforts to prevent injury.

I do understand what you mean.
But, in those millions and millions of years, nature always had a certain balance.
Things did change fast for example, but there was never a single dominant species.

But I think the last 50.000 years?, human species came for the first time to dominate nature.
I just find it odd, if we take a look at the whole time scale of our earth, that somehow we humans
'took over the planet' and not some other specie.

But even if nature is trying to kill us, we still survive, so somehow we're dominating nature.
Which wasn't the case with all the other species.
But I don't think natural disasters should be called 'nature trying to kill us'.
They just happen randomly.

However, certain diseases (epidemical diseases) can be counted as 'nature's revenge'.
But events, like famine, I don't think that comes from nature, it just means that we're destroying this planet
since this planet has a lack of resources for us.

So why do we dominate the world? (We count over 6 billion....)

There was never another specie that destroyed so much of nature as we did.

[LegendarySandwich]

I do understand what you mean.
But, in those millions and millions of years, nature always had a certain balance.
Things did change fast for example, but there was never a single dominant species.

But I think the last 50.000 years?, human species came for the first time to dominate nature.
I just find it odd, if we take a look at the whole time scale of our earth, that somehow we humans
'took over the planet' and not some other specie.

But even if nature is trying to kill us, we still survive, so somehow we're dominating nature.
Which wasn't the case with all the other species.
But I don't think natural disasters should be called 'nature trying to kill us'.
They just happen randomly.

However, certain diseases (epidemical diseases) can be counted as 'nature's revenge'.
But events, like famine, I don't think that comes from nature, it just means that we're destroying this planet
since this planet has a lack of resources for us.

So why do we dominate the world? (We count over 6 billion....)

You're asking a "why?" question when I really think you should be asking a "why not?" question.

[iSok]

I do understand what you mean.
But, in those millions and millions of years, nature always had a certain balance.
Things did change fast for example, but there was never a single dominant species.

But I think the last 50.000 years?, human species came for the first time to dominate nature.
I just find it odd, if we take a look at the whole time scale of our earth, that somehow we humans
'took over the planet' and not some other specie.

But even if nature is trying to kill us, we still survive, so somehow we're dominating nature.
Which wasn't the case with all the other species.
But I don't think natural disasters should be called 'nature trying to kill us'.
They just happen randomly.

However, certain diseases (epidemical diseases) can be counted as 'nature's revenge'.
But events, like famine, I don't think that comes from nature, it just means that we're destroying this planet
since this planet has a lack of resources for us.

So why do we dominate the world? (We count over 6 billion....)

You're asking a "why?" question when I really think you should be asking a "why not?" question.

Because nature is betraying herself, like you backstab yourself.
Why not backstabbing yourself?

The answer to the whynot? question would be: Coincidence.

If we as human species dissapeared, the world would be a far better place for every creature.

But, remove ONE single creature, doesn't matter where it comes from and the whole ecosystem collapses.
So we're only a burden to nature, while every other organism has a place in it's ecosystem, without it
the whole ecosystem of a certain region would collapse.

We're probably the only organism in this entire world that actually has no purpose for nature (Correct me if I'm wrong)
Every organism has it's place it's rules and laws which he/she/it should not pass.

We as humans are lawless,  we can do whatever we want.
That's what I mean, we stepped out of the ecosystem and I would like to know how that happened.
Since no other organism achieved that...

[Whitney]

I do understand what you mean.
But, in those millions and millions of years, nature always had a certain balance.
Things did change fast for example, but there was never a single dominant species.

I don't know much about what species were dominant in the past but in the age of the Dinosaur mammals were completely dominated by the dinosaurs.

But I think the last 50.000 years?, human species came for the first time to dominate nature.
I just find it odd, if we take a look at the whole time scale of our earth, that somehow we humans
'took over the planet' and not some other specie.

We do not dominate nature...the natural order of things is still functioning just as it has since the world started turning.
We simply are towards the top of the food chain and large in population; for now.
It's not odd, it's luck.

So why do we dominate the world? (We count over 6 billion....)

Reasons:
1) Big brains allow us to come up with more ways to survive.
2) High survival rate of young...our family structure as well as our medical technology has allowed an increasing number of humans to survive till sexual maturity.
3) Quality birth control methods are only a recent invention.
4) Big brains have allowed us to come up with ways to prevent many diseases which use to kill us before we'd reach old age.
5) Some of the world's main religions teach that not only is it good to have huge families but that preventing pregnancy is bad.
6) Ability to create shelter rather than having to find shelter.
7) Ability to travel long distances in search of new land when we fill up one area.
etc.

There was never another specie that destroyed so much of nature as we did.

And that is a main reason why we won't be a dominant species much longer...unless we change our ways.

[Whitney]

One creature dying doesn't necessarily destroy a whole ecosytem....it depends on what creature and whether that creature was the only source of food for another creature and things like that.

Not to mention that species dying off is nothing new and would happen with or without us; we have just knowingly and unknowingly added to the list of dying species.

I think what you aren't understanding is that the world isn't self aware....it doesn't care if the humans destroy it.  But in destroying it we will destroy ourselves in the process; leaving room for the species that survive to start the process all over again.

Some time far far in the future a highly intelligence race of Dolphins will tell the tale of the time when humans ruled the earth just as we fantasize about what it was like when dinosaurs were top dog....or perhaps they already are telling such a tale (dolphins are pretty smart and do communicate)